Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Craig2uguys wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | Craig2uguys wrote: | The Ten Commandments were given to the Jews, not the gentiles, and not to the Church.
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Here we go again :roll:
The 10 commandments were always in heaven...before mankind was ever created. |
Are you perhaps confusing the writings of Ellen G. White with the Holy Scriptures? |
Show me anywhere she is not in absolute, and complete agreement with what God has said in the Bible, OK ?
| Silver Surfer wrote: | There is no such thing as sin...without the Law pointing it out.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression. (sin)
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. |
True but irrelevant to my comments and the rest of the thread.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | The Bible tells us that satan sinned in heaven.
How could that be, if there was no law to point out where he was wrong ?
Same with Adam & Eve....if there was no law, they could not have committed any sin. |
The Law was given long after Adam and Eve had died. They sinned when they disobeyed the instructions that God gave exclusively to them.
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No Christian is under the Ten Commandments or any other portion of the Law; they are under grace and the Law, in spirit but not the letter, is fulfilled in them as they walk in the Spirit. |
WHY then, did Jesus Christ keep saying to people, to keep the commandments ? |
Jesus never spoke one word to a Christian; he spoke almost exclusively to Jews and he never told a gentile to keep the commandments.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Quote: | | And, of course, that is why we do not find the Sabbath being kept by Christians in the New Testament or in the early church. |
Every disciple of Jesus Christ's, kept the 7th day sabbath !
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, |
All of the disciples of Jesus were Jews; none of them were Christians!
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Quote: | | Christians, unlike the Jews, are strengthened by the Holy Spirit and have no need to take a day off from work every week. |
Then you need to understand the work of the Holy Spirit, my friend !
The Holy Spirit is given in full measure to those who keep God's commandments.....
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
This is the 1st step, then....the Holy Spirit....
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. |
Let’s not confuse the Old Testament commandments with Jesus’ commandments.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Quote: | | The large majority of Christians, both among the laity and the clergy and the scholars, throughout the history of the Church, have understood this, but some have been confused. [/b][/color] |
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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In Matt. 7:12 Jesus was not speaking to Christians, but to unconverted Jews who were still very confused regarding the teachings of Jesus and how they related to the Old Testament Scriptures, and He is telling them here to treat others in the same manner that they like to be treated for in doing so they will be obeying the spirit (not the letter) of the Law and the Prophets.
Matt. 7:13-14 are irrelevant to my comments and the rest of the thread. |
Sorry, but God does not have a separate plan of salvation for Jews, and another separate plan of Salvation for Gentiles.
The Plan of Salvation is for everyone...both Jew and Gentile alike.
In fact....there are no Gentile gates leading into the New Jersalem in heaven, did you know that ?
Did you knkow that there is no New Covenant promise made to Gentiles, either ?
The New Covenant promise which says....Hebrews 8:10 ".....and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people" |
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