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45degreeN
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Location: Salem Oregon
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 Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: Chaos theory |
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Change can happen fast in wonderful ways. One of the problems the creationist insist in the black box theory is that things like eyeballs cannot change insatantly since each part needs to be functionally interwoven with each other part. Well IMHO Chaos theory along with Catastrophy theory can explain these sudden and very complex changes that seem to happen over night (geologically speaking)
One of the problems with the Origin of the species is the reliance upon vast tracks of "undisturbed time" (which has never been available) to cause the change. But there never has been any smooth change curve in evolution it has been bits and starts, catastrophic changes over much shorter spans of time.
The new form of mathematics is now available to offer itself as a possible explanation that fits the evidence much more closely |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Location: Memphis
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| dim12trav wrote: | | One of the problems the creationist insist in the black box theory is that things like eyeballs cannot change insatantly since each part needs to be functionally interwoven with each other part. |
Which is (and I hate to use the word) ignorant, as theoretical models based on types of eyes around today can show a progression from not-eyes to eyes. |
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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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Location: Victoria, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Chaos theory |
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| dim12trav wrote: | | Change can happen fast in wonderful ways. One of the problems the creationist insist in the black box theory is that things like eyeballs cannot change insatantly since each part needs to be functionally interwoven with each other part. Well IMHO Chaos theory along with Catastrophy theory can explain these sudden and very complex changes that seem to happen over night (geologically speaking) |
I don't know why you would think that chaos theory is needed to explain the evolution of the eye. We know that the eye evolved in AT LEAST 50 independent ways, each time in baby-steps, just like everything else. |
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Trinity1
Emperor of the World
Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Chaos theory |
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| dim12trav wrote: | | Change can happen fast in wonderful ways. One of the problems the creationist insist in the black box theory |
Are you talking about Behe's "Irreducible Complexity" Theory/Proposition?
| Quote: | | One of the problems with the Origin of the species is the reliance upon vast tracks of "undisturbed time" (which has never been available) to cause the change. |
Um... do you mean "Uniformitarianism"? (I might have misspelled that one… it is more than two syllables and I can get confused pretty quickly) 
| Quote: | | But there never has been any smooth change curve in evolution it has been bits and starts, catastrophic changes over much shorter spans of time. |
Ah... um... Gould's "Punctuated Equilibrium" (Punk-eek)?
| Quote: | | The new form of mathematics is now available to offer itself as a possible explanation that fits the evidence much more closely. |
Which evidence and more closely than... what? |
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