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P1234567890
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 Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| cballard wrote: | | I think that's the way God looks at us. We're children and we need rules and discipline. P, it seems to me that what you don't want is discipline. This sexual freedom comes with a price. Sex and love have been separted and that affects all areas of the relationship between a man and a woman which in turn affects family life. These things are the building blocks of society and I see them tumbling down. That's the way I see it. It sure isn't loving one another. How can you call it good? |
What do you think I am calling good?
It is a fact that if you try to repress human sexuality, you will fail miserably. In the extreme 'red states' where parents try very hard to make sure that their kids won't even get sex-ed classes for fear of them hearing about something that they might want to try, the teenage pregnancy rates are MUCH higher than in those states where sex-ed is common.
It may seem counterintuitive, but if you give sex-ed classes and teach kids the consequences and responsibilities that go along with their reproductive abilities, and make contraception freely available, the number of teenage pregnancies (and therefore abortions) is MUCH lower than in all other alternatives.
That is what I call good.
As for society and morality collapsing, you're TOTALLY wrong if you think abortions have anything to do with it. Socioeconomics are to blame, not medical procedures. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: |
Got an idea! Let's force everyone to get an abortion and then we won't have a problem with kids at all. |
Your sarcasm is just silly. You seem to think that being pro-choice is the same thing as being pro-abortion. It is not. |
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Pete
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Pete wrote: |
Got an idea! Let's force everyone to get an abortion and then we won't have a problem with kids at all. |
Your sarcasm is just silly. You seem to think that being pro-choice is the same thing as being pro-abortion. It is not. |
Hey, P1, Check your last two posts and tell me again what silly is about. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: |
Hey, P1, Check your last two posts and tell me again what silly is about. |
My posts are fine. In them I support something which makes a lot of sense and against which the only arguments are emotional ones. There aren't even any scripturally-based arguments against abortion!
By contrast, your suggestion that all pregnancies be aborted really is silly. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Pete wrote:
| Quote: | | Got an idea! Let's force everyone to get an abortion and then we won't have a problem with kids at all. |
I believe that's been tried before...at least twice.
The first time it was all the boys from birth. The second time was all boys under the age of two...
But apparently that didn't work so we get them in the womb now just incase any escape. And it don't matter if they're male or female.
Why did Pharoah kill all the firstborn? Why did Herod kill all the boy babies under two?
Moses escaped, Jesus escaped....maybe someone/something is trying to prevent another escape..
Exd 1:15 ¶ And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one [was] Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah:
Exd 1:16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see [them] upon the stools; if it [be] a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it [be] a daughter, then she shall live.
Exd 1:17 But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive.
Exd 1:18 And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive?
Exd 1:19 And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women [are] not as the Egyptian women; for they [are] lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come in unto them.
Exd 1:20 Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty.
Exd 1:21 And it came to pass, because the midwives feared God, that he made them houses.
Exd 1:22 And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.
Mat 2:13 ¶ And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
Mat 2:16 ¶ Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Pharoah and Herod...afraid of being replaced.
Afraid of a leader and afraid that the multitude or majority will control.
You know today kids are a lot smarter than their parents.
Could be adults are afraid of the kids ruling, so they kill them.
Mar 10:14 But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
The kingdom of God is within you..and of such is the kingdom of God..so if we kill the children then we destroy the kingdom...
If we destroy all the children then ultimately we are destroying ourselves. Mankind will cease to exist.
P wrote:
| Quote: | | By contrast, your suggestion that all pregnancies be aborted really is silly. |
except in china...they get to dictate how many children you can legally have and what gender they are... 
Today we have selection..If it's not a male with blonde hair and blue eyes..just get rid of it.
I don't like this topic and I have no idea why I participate in it... 
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Negative Overload
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Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| Lone wrote: | | except in china...they get to dictate how many children you can legally have and what gender they are... |
I may not agree with all of China's ideas in this regard, but they aren't aborting ALL their children. Enough to cause them problems with their male/female ratios, but still...
| Lone wrote: | | Today we have selection..If it's not a male with blonde hair and blue eyes..just get rid of it. |
How can you abort a fetus for this reason? Their hair and eye color aren't even evident right after birth, much less in the womb. Heck, they aren't always one hundred percent right on what sex it is. I still have no idea what my nephew's hair color will be and he's almost two weeks old.
Does this really happen? I know of a myriad of reasons to abort, but I don't think this one happens often enough to be called rare, much less common.
This sounds dangerously close to trying to tie people who would abort to Nazi ideals...although I'll certainly give you the benefit of the doubt that that wasn't the case.
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Into the fire... |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Negative Overload wrote: |
How can you abort a fetus for this reason? |
In practice, nobody aborts fetuses for these reasons. |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| lone wrote: | | Today we have selection..If it's not a male with blonde hair and blue eyes..just get rid of it. |
| Negative Overload wrote: | | This sounds dangerously close to trying to tie people who would abort to Nazi ideals...although I'll certainly give you the benefit of the doubt that that wasn't the case. |
Naw Neg. I know Lone better than that! 
Can you not see that she hates abortion? She gets upset, just like I do!  |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: |
Naw Neg. I know Lone better than that!
Can you not see that she hates abortion? She gets upset, just like I do! |
Why is this such an emotional topic for you guys? |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| P1232 wrote: | | Why is this such an emotional topic for you guys? |
Hi P123, I can't speak for Lone.
I don't talk much about it.
But I would have a grandson & my Son-n-law & my daughter would now have the son that they so much wanted & never could have!
But at that time you couldn't talk to them!!
After 6 years they had a girl. She is a sweetie, second year High School.
This is hard for me to talk about!  |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: |
I don't talk much about it.
But I would have a grandson & my Son-n-law & my daughter would now have the son that they so much wanted & never could have!
But at that time you couldn't talk to them!!
After 6 years they had a girl. She is a sweetie, second year High School.
This is hard for me to talk about! |
I'm sorry to hear that, Nobby. I didn't realize that I was being insensitive towards something that must be really hard for you.
If I've ever said anything in this thread which offends or upsets you, please accept my apologies and know that this is not my intention and that I don't mean anything personal by it; I just treat this subject as an intellectual debate. |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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P123 you don't offend me. Really I know your not being personal. Just once in a while I speak out about it!  |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | | P123 you don't offend me. Really I know your not being personal. Just once in a while I speak out about it! |
Still, this is obviously a very personal subject for you, so I want to be really clear with you that I'm not trying to upset you or anything like that. |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks P123, for your understanding!  |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | | Thanks P123, for your understanding! |
Hey, just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I have no empathy!  |
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