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Tiptronic
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 Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: | | P wrote: | | Then look at the way pretty much every Islamic country is a sworn enemy of Israel. Israel is a political entity; it is a country. But for RELIGIOUS reasons, all of the Muslim countries in the Middle East are POLITICALLY hostile towards it. This is another CLEAR example of a separation violation. |
Riiight. For RELIGIOUS reasons all Muslim countries are POLITICALLY hostile towards Israel? 
You dont seemed to be educated well enough on the issue between Israel and its Arab neighbours in the Middle East. |
What? Which Islamic countries... or countries where the predominant religion is Islam, is NOT hostile... or is friendly towards Israel? One is all I ask.
Jordan? Egypt? Me thinks not. If there are others I would be really interested in hearing which ones they are. Every country, as a whole, on that peninsula hates Israel... and the sad part about it is, none of them could give two flippen snots about their 'Arab Brothers', the Palestinians, other than it gives them an excuse to hate Israel even more. |
What are you talking about. And more importantly who are you talking to? Me or P#? Because if its me, you have no bearing on the discussion at hand and seem to make no sense.
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Tiptronic wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
There are thousands of examples; just look at pretty much every single Muslim country. Almost all of them have implemented Sharia Law. Law is supposed to be a socio-political mechanism, but in Islamic countries it is a socio-political-theological mechanism, which is a CLEAR violation of the separation between church and state. |
Come again?
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Are you denying that Islamic countries practice Sharia law??? They even practice DIFFERENT VERSIONS of Sharia law!
| Tiptronic wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
Or look at the Ayatollah in Iran. He is a religious leader, but he has IMMENSE political power. This is another CLEAR example of a strong separation violation. |
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You forgot to tell me how I was wrong about the Ayatollah.
| Tiptronic wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
Then look at the way pretty much every Islamic country is a sworn enemy of Israel. Israel is a political entity; it is a country. But for RELIGIOUS reasons, all of the Muslim countries in the Middle East are POLITICALLY hostile towards it. This is another CLEAR example of a separation violation. |
Riiight. For RELIGIOUS reasons all Muslim countries are POLITICALLY hostile towards Israel?
You dont seemed to be educated well enough on the issue between Israel and its Arab neighbours in the Middle East.
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Yes, exactly; the Arabic countries are hostile towards Israel for religious reasons. They constantly cite the way that Israel treated their Muslim Palestinian brothers as justification. In other words, they are mad at "The Zionist Entity" for mistreating MUSLIMS. I don't know about you, but that sounds like a religious reason to me.
| Tiptronic wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
| P wrote: | | Incidentally, if we forget about culture for a second, and focus rather on politics, then the issue becomes much more interesting. Seeing as how Islam is notoriously bad at separating church and state, it is hard to imagine that politics hasn't strongly influenced the religion over the centuries. |
I want examples that can then be discussed on the highlighted statement please. |
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And I gave you excellent examples. I can't believe that you're bothering to argue this!!! This isn't even debatable! Go ask anyone who has taken a first year poli-sci class; Islamic countries are notoriously bad at separating church from state, and it has had incredibly bad repercussions for them.
Incidentally, here's another example: In Iran, children have no choice but to study the Koran in public school; this is a pathetic example compared to the others, but I guess it qualifies. |
Woah, slow down.
This is what you said:
"it is hard to imagine that politics hasn't strongly influenced the religion over the centuries."
And one example you give is:
"In Iran, children have no choice but to study the Koran in public school; this is a pathetic example compared to the others, but I guess it qualifies."
So tell me again, how has politics influenced religion here?
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"Or look at the Ayatollah in Iran. He is a religious leader, but he has IMMENSE political power. This is another CLEAR example of a strong separation violation."
Is that politics influencing religion? |
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Take this example of yours, about all Islamic countries implementing Sharia Law (which is false, many implement parts and its implementaion varys widely but all do not implement it).
If anything Islam has had an influence on the country's legal system by providing it with Shariah Law to follow. So bad example cos Religion has influenced Politics (if thats what you want to call it). |
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