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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Parables Reply with quote

Parables

In order to truly comprehend the events that have been taking shape in this world, Believers must first be able to understand the significance of Jesus’ parables. Unbeknownst to most, these parables deal with the time of the end. They are very important instruments which can be used to understand the state of the world and the people who inhabit it.

We must first understand that Jesus’ parables are not constrained by time. Contrary to some popular beliefs, these parables were not restricted to a historical Israel. These parables encompass the whole world. No one is exempt and no one is left out. Now in order for us to understand this point, let us first define parable.

Definitions (Merriam Webster)

1. Parable: (n) : EXAMPLE; specifically : a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

2. Moral: (adj)1 a : of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL *moral judgments* b : expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior c : conforming to a standard of right behavior d : sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment

3. Religious: (adj) 1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity *religious attitudes* 2: of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances *joined a religious order* 3 a : scrupulously and conscientiously faithful b : FERVENT, ZEALOUS

4. Principle: (n) 1 a: a comprehensive and fundamental law, doctrine, or assumption b (1) : a rule or code of conduct (2) : habitual devotion to right principles *a man of principle* c : the laws or facts of nature underlying the working of an artificial device 2 : a primary source : ORIGIN 3 a: an underlying faculty or endowment *such principles of human nature as greed and curiosity* b : an ingredient (as a chemical) that exhibits or imparts a characteristic quality 4 capitalized , Christian Science : a divine principle : GOD

From its definition we can see that a parable is a short story which is told to illustrate a moral attitude, or mindset or a religious principle. Or better yet, One can say that a parable is:

A. a usually short fictitious story which is told to illustrate a principle of right and wrong in behavior, : ETHICAL (Moral 1a) or attitude or a religious comprehensive and fundamental law, doctrine, or assumption (Principle 1a).
B. a usually short fictitious story which is told to illustrate a conception of right behavior (Moral 1b) or attitude or a religious rule or code of conduct or devotion to right principles (Principle 1b1&2)
C. a usually short fictitious story which is told to illustrate a standard of right behavior (Moral 1c)or attitude or a religious law or fact of nature underlying the working of an artificial device (Principle 1c)
D. a usually short fictitious story which is told to illustrate one's conscience or ethical judgment (Moral 1d) or attitude or a religious principle

Before we continue, there is a general misconception which needs to be addressed. In order to completely understand the term (religious principle), it is important for us to understand that religion or being religious does not always involve the worship of a deity. If you will look at the definition you will see that religious also relates to, manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality. This means that whatever one has acknowledged and faithfully devoted themselves to in this world as their ultimate reality, becomes their religion. Since this is the case, those who adhere to Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Democracy, or any other form of government or system are practicing a religion. So whether they realise it or not, everyone is religious and everyone has a religion.

As we can now see, a parable is all inclusive. Whether right or wrong, all humans in this world are governed by morals, and all humans are governed by religious principles.

Now, when One reads a parable there are certain steps that One must take in order to comprehend it. First, One must identify the elements or characters. Each element, or character in a parable is always symbolic of various things, people or conditions of the current world. Secondly, Since each element, or character is symbolic, one must then correctly match it to that thing or things, person or persons and condition or conditions that is present in the world. For example, in the parable of the sower (Matt 13: 3- 8) the sower is the Son of Man, the field is the world, the thorns are the worries of the world, the seeds are different groups of people etc. After this is done the individual should be able to better understand the parable

Finally, if you will notice, the various themes of Jesus’ parables are always constant. They do not change. All of his parables deal with people and their present states or conditions. This is because spirits and conditions are constant. People may die, but spirits and conditions will remain. You will always have the spirit of foolishness or foolish people (Matt 7:26). You will always have people with various talents (Matt. 25:14-30). You will always have good Samaritans (Luke 10:30-37) And you will always have evil and unforgiving people (Matt 18: 23-35) This is the main reason why those who theorise that the parables of Jesus are limited to a historical Israel are greatly mistaken. Evil, good Samaritans, talents, foolishness, and wisdom are not limited to a specific sphere or a historic time period. These are all spirits and conditions which are always recurring.

To know the unknown, One must first know the Known.”

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you use a modern day dictionary to define a biblical word?
When we read the Bible very carefully, we find that the whole Bible is a Spiritual book. in Spirit and in Truth.")

The whole Bible is a Spiritual book. When God wrote the Bible, He used earthly language (words we are familiar with) to express to us His teachings. To understand a particular word, we need to search the Scriptures to see how God has used this familiar word and in what context. An example is in John 3:16 where we are told "whosoever believeth in Him should not perish" Now this word believe is used by God to describe His Elect, the unsaved, and even the devils (all believe in a different way). The word perish can be another example. When we get to literal or historic statements in the Bible, we therefore can look for the parable God has placed within. Matthew 13:34 "All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake He not unto them"
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

l.t.21378 wrote:
Why would you use a modern day dictionary to define a biblical word?
When we read the Bible very carefully, we find that the whole Bible is a Spiritual book. in Spirit and in Truth.")

The whole Bible is a Spiritual book. When God wrote the Bible, He used earthly language (words we are familiar with) to express to us His teachings. To understand a particular word, we need to search the Scriptures to see how God has used this familiar word and in what context. An example is in John 3:16 where we are told "whosoever believeth in Him should not perish" Now this word believe is used by God to describe His Elect, the unsaved, and even the devils (all believe in a different way). The word perish can be another example. When we get to literal or historic statements in the Bible, we therefore can look for the parable God has placed within. Matthew 13:34 "All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake He not unto them"


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What is the difference between a biblical word and a regular word? Do you not know that the same God created all words? You can't know God without knowing his words. His words speak to you in the time that you exist. You just have to rightly divide them.


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

If the whole Bible is a spiritual book, does that mean there is no literal hell?



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

golfjack wrote:
If the whole Bible is a spiritual book, does that mean there is no literal hell?



May God bless, golfjack


Good Day

There is an actual hell. War is hell. Hell is a state of misery, torment, turmoil, destruction. You don't die to go hell. You live in hell.

Good Day.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

golfjack wrote:
If the whole Bible is a spiritual book, does that mean there is no literal hell?



May God bless, golfjack


Indeed there will be, as of right now "Hell" is only the condition of being under the wrath of GOD. Anyone who is not saved, (and that makes up for most people of the world) they are in spiritual hell, but on the last day it will become a literal place because GOD will have to assign all of the unsaved someplace, they will not be allowed in the new heavens and the new earth.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

l.t.21378 wrote:
it will become a literal place because GOD will have to assign all of the unsaved someplace, they will not be allowed in the new heavens and the new earth.
What a loveley, caring, and just God you worship.

The only thing that matters to your version of God is who anyone believe in, not how they have lived their lives.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fake wrote:
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What a loveley, caring, and just God you worship.

The only thing that matters to your version of God is who anyone believe in, not how they have lived their lives.


what does God say?


Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation [is] near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

Isa 56:2 Blessed [is] the man [that] doeth this, and the son of man [that] layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree.

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices [shall be] accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather [others] to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

Fake wrote:
l.t.21378 wrote:
it will become a literal place because GOD will have to assign all of the unsaved someplace, they will not be allowed in the new heavens and the new earth.
What a loveley, caring, and just God you worship.

The only thing that matters to your version of God is who anyone believe in, not how they have lived their lives.


Fake


Good Day

This is incorrect. Do you not know that belief gives birth to action? Your consistent action is accounted as belief. You act out of belief. You don't act to believe. Your actions are just the physical manifestations of your belief. You can't have one without the other. So contrary to what many have been taught, the way that you live your life is more important.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

Fake wrote:
l.t.21378 wrote:
it will become a literal place because GOD will have to assign all of the unsaved someplace, they will not be allowed in the new heavens and the new earth.
What a loveley, caring, and just God you worship.

The only thing that matters to your version of God is who anyone believe in, not how they have lived their lives.


Fake


So let me ask you something, do you believe every human being is going to become saved?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:40 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

What is spiritual hell?



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:19 pm    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

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What is spiritual hell?



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Spiritual hell is the condition of being under the wrath of GOD
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

Well, I am not under the wrath of God because I have been saved and have been promised life through the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who are these people who are under God's wrath in what you call spiritual hell?



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

golfjack wrote:
Well, I am not under the wrath of God because I have been saved and have been promised life through the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who are these people who are under God's wrath in what you call spiritual hell?
Anyone that assumes they're safe.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

l.t.21378 wrote:
golfjack wrote:
What is spiritual hell?



May God bless, golfjack


Spiritual hell is the condition of being under the wrath of GOD


Good Day

How does one know if they are in spiritual hell? There must be some evidence to let one know that they are in that condition. When one is in jail, one can see the bars. When one is in spiritual hell, what do they see?

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