Politics

P1234567890 · Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: Politics

I am just wondering about how the believers here feel about George Bush these days. His approval ratings are at an all time low, and I want to get a sense of whether or not you guys feel betrayed by him.

For example, he really emphasized his Christianity during the election campaigns, and even said that Jesus Christ is his favorite philosopher. But he has shown pretty clearly that he doesn't follow Jesus' teachings AT ALL. I would even go so far as to say that I'm more of a Christian than he is.

He also REALLY screwed up with Sept. 11th in a bad way. Firstly, instead of doing a good job going after Bin Laden and Al Quaeda, he attacked Iraq and needlessly endangered the lives of U.S. troops for what turned out to be a wild goose chase. I'm honestly not posturing here; being from Canada, I consider Americans to be good neighbors, and I don't want your troops being put in harm's way for nothing. Not to mention the bad press that the U.S. has received for this around the world -all for WMDs that weren't there. And also not to mention that the civilian politicians in Bush's cabinet such as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, or Pearle thought that they knew better and totally ignored the pentagon with respect to strategic decisions in Iraq.

But secondly, the entire Iraq war has destabilized the region in the sense that now Iran (whose president is even crazier than Sadam) is getting to be incredibly bold, and is clearly trying to build nuclear weapons. And with U.S. military resources stretched thin, the West is now in a very weak position for countering them.

Anyways, are you guys disappointed with him? Do you feel like he's let you down? Do any of the believers here who voted for him wish they hadn't?

Ana · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:13 am Post subject:

I'm reading a really interesting book called AMERICAN THEOCRACY: The Peril and Politics of Radical Religion, Oil, and Borrowed Money in the 21st Century, by Kevin Phillips. In the preface, he mentions something that is hugely interesting, that your post, P, reminded me of:

Kevin Phillips was once a voting analyst for the Republican Party (which he almost constantly refers to as the GOP). He saw that past trends indicated that whenever the US was under internal strife, people would band together with their religious peers, regardless of whatever else was going on. He's the person who thought that this would be a great way to get votes for the already conservative Republican Party: appeal to religious values and religious folk to get their votes. Each religious community would vote the same way: together, if the Republican Party could just make the vote about religion (and for their purposes, Christianity is a religion).

I imagine that Republicans reading this book have to feel used by the party if religion was their deciding factor at the voting stations! This guy totally admitted that he thought of this way to exploit the American populace's religious faith!

Ana · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:16 am Post subject:

I forgot to mention that he also thought a good way for the GOP to become appealing to these religious groups was to give them some power, thus creating a vote-generating engine!

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

I'm just thinking of Jimmy Carter and his appeal to religion and faith. Look at what a washout he was as president - how many felt betrayed by him because they voted based on religion?

Pondering · Lion King Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1307

not answering the original question, but I have to say that it is a real shame about Jimmy Carter...who is probably one of the best "former President's" we've ever had....what a great mind and true man of moral character...and yet, he couldn't do the job.....(lots of factors I know...). Bill Clinton on the other hand, a brilliant mind and man devoid of moral character was hugely successful during his terms....Kind of a sad commentary on the state of the Office...

anyway, back to the topic Smile

P1234567890 · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject:

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

FFT · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject:

P1234567890 · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject:

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

Thanks for your input FFT. Now if you would be kind enough to let P123 speak for himself...

I'm sure he appreciates your coaching and all that, but he is a thinking person and probably doesn't need you leading him by the nose.

FFT · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject:

I was speaking for myself, as I pointed out by saying "I can."

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

golfjack · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: reply

Two ideas that the democrats have:

1. Defense Raise a white flag.

2. Social problems Raise taxes.

This is a party that has no ideas and refuses to acknowledge that elections have consequences. As President, Bush wants to protect Americans and not wait for another attack.

May God bless, golfjack

Ana · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: reply

Roger459 · Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject:

DIS-INFORMATION

MIS-INFORMATION

AND PLAIN STUPIDITY?

"My Momma always used to say, Stupid IS as Stupid Does!" Forest Gump!

WHAT IS THEIR AGENDA? When a person asks a question, it is OFTEN Hidden in their Agenda!

THERE ARE about 280-Million people in this United States! Yet you hear about POLLS, that say President Bush's Approval Rating is _____%

YET, they NEVE TELL YOU THE SAMPLING NUMBER? How many out of 280 MILLION People = DID THEY SAMPLE? Maybe ONLY 1,000. That comes out to: 0.00000357 PERCENT!

OH, YES THE PRESIDENTLS APPROVAL RATING IS ONLY ____ % LIES AND MORE LIES = TO DISCREDIT AN INDIVIDUAL? Can that Even Be Called = FAIR? NOT! NO, NEVER!

DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO PRESIDENT BUSH'S JOB? Better than HE CAN? IF you do, why do you not Run for President?

Those that work around the President and have access ALL HOLD A "FINAL" Security Clearance! The SECRET INFORMATION = that the President = IS PRIVY TO = Would SCARE THE HELL OUT OF YOU - IF YOU KNEW WHAT - HE KNOWS!

HE MANAGES A NATION OF "Whining Cry BABIES, that can't think for Themselves - NOR DO THEY WANT TO!"

THE NEWS MEDIA Always has an Agenda! Allow me to share with you Some of the UNFAIR REPORTING that was done JUST in this Last Year!

The often reported, Day-by-Day, reports on Troup Deaths! Some times they reported 4 people were killed each day, and some times as high as 24 were killed in a day! And in the conflict, 3,000 were killed since the Irac Enduring Freedom Drive!

PUT IT IN THE CORRECT PRESPECTIVE![/b] On America's Highways = About 40,000 PERSONS ARE KILLED EACH YEAR! That is [b]About 110 Persons each DAY! That doesn't INCLUDE THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, THAT ARE INJURED EACH YEAR!

THE NEWS MEDIA, is Anti-Right, Anti-Good, Anti-Commons Sence AND Anti-GOD!

DO THEY EVER REPORT THAT FOR EVERY $1.00 Dollar in Welfare Monies, that ONLY 0.13 Cents goes for the Person! The 0.87 Cents, goes for ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS! What is wrong with THAT PICTURE!

PERHAPS = MANY HAVE FORGOTTEN = PRESIDENT CLINTON? Monica and all the Scandle and the SHAME = that Clinton = BROUGHT ON THIS NATION AND THE SHAME ON THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT? Did you FORGET THAT? Or were YOU Only Simply ENTERTAINED?

Thanks FOR STARTING TO THINK!

N - Nothing
E - Ever
W - Worthwhile
S - Said

Thanks, Roger R.