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P1234567890
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad that you don't have a real rebuttal against the argument that atavisms are excellent evidence for evolution.
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Pete
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P1234567890 wrote:
I'm glad that you don't have a real rebuttal against the argument that atavisms are excellent evidence for evolution.


Anomalies happen all the time in every species. It proves nothing. Human babies have been born with facial hair. Does that prove humans rose from chimps?
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P1234567890
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete wrote:
P1234567890 wrote:
I'm glad that you don't have a real rebuttal against the argument that atavisms are excellent evidence for evolution.


Anomalies happen all the time in every species.


Sure, but it becomes interesting when we start asking WHERE these anomalies came from. In the case of atavisms, the anomalies came from the fact that the creature has a segment of DNA present in its genome which was present in one of its ancestor species. Evolution didn't get rid of the DNA, but rather just turned it off, and every now and then you find a creature in which it is not turned off.

It is very powerful evidence supporting evolution.

Pete wrote:

It proves nothing. Human babies have been born with facial hair.


Really? Do you have a citation for this?

Pete wrote:

Does that prove humans rose from chimps?


I don't know. That one could just be a hormonal imbalance during development.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bottom line still is, how does living tissue evolve from dirt? Next: How does living tissue suddenly waltz out of a puddle and become a thinking animated being? One more: how does an animated being adapt to its environment by simply growing gills, or wings, or arms? Last one, for now: How do evolution work when kinds can only reroduce after their kinds?

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Ana
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete wrote:
The bottom line still is, how does living tissue evolve from dirt?


It doesn't and the theory of evolution doesn't say it does.

Pete wrote:
Next: How does living tissue suddenly waltz out of a puddle and become a thinking animated being?


It doesn't and the theory of evolution doesn't say it does.

Pete wrote:
One more: how does an animated being adapt to its environment by simply growing gills, or wings, or arms?


It doesn't and the theory of evolution doesn't say it does.

Pete wrote:
Last one, for now: How do evolution work when kinds can only reroduce after their kinds?


First define 'kinds'.
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P1234567890
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete wrote:
The bottom line still is, how does living tissue evolve from dirt? Next: How does living tissue suddenly waltz out of a puddle and become a thinking animated being? One more: how does an animated being adapt to its environment by simply growing gills, or wings, or arms? Last one, for now:


Pete, interacting with you is getting to be ridiculous. Multiple people on this board have told you on literally dozens of different occasions that evolutionary theory doesn't in any way, shape, or form say that any of these things happened. You're PURPOSEFULLY misunderstanding what evolution says, and then stating your misunderstanding of evolution as if that were actually what it says.

You're never going to win an argument with anyone who understands evolution, because they know better.

And secondly, nice try at changing the subject and going on the offensive against evolution. This thread is about atavisms. Go ahead and explain them, if you can.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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