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Pondering
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excuse me, excuse me..fact guy coming thru:
/clears throat
According to a 2001 report by the National Institutes of Health, correct and consistent use of latex condoms:
* reduces the risk of HIV/AIDS transmission by approximately 85%.
* reduces the risk of gonorrhea for men by approximately 71%.
A 1994 FHI study showed that most condom users rarely experienced condom breakage, while a study by the World Health Organization states condom effectiveness at 97% and other studies have set it at 80%.
The main reason for breakage, besides misuse, is damage from fingernails, teeth, and rings or ineffective application. Some UK reports state that breakages only occur 0.3% of the time.
as of 2006, Planned Parenthood says
| Quote: | | Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use.** *Typical use refers to failure rates when use is not consistent or always correct. **Perfect use refers to failure rates for those whose use is consistent and always correct. |
The more you know... 
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks, Pondering. Those were the numbers I remembered. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently you didn't rember them very well 
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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gosh i'm not perfect my whole belief system is in tatters  |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure you'll get over it. You have a knack for bouncing back from such downfalls... 
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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In any case, Roger's comments about AIDS being spread through kissing were still totally wrong.
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I think we can all agree on that one. |
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Flashman
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | RevJP wrote: | | ROGER wrote: | | The AIDS, virus can be transmitted BY KISSING TOO! It can remain in the body, and NOT SHOW UP WITH THE LATEST TESTING = for 2 TWO = to 8 EIGHT = YEARS! |
You sir, are an idiot.
You know absolutely nothing about what you are saying, and I would hope that you would be sane enough to reason out in your own mind that you should keep your mouth shut about that which you are woefully ignorant.
You are fond of screaming scripture at everyone. Look in Proverbs about keeping your mouth shut and being thought a fool.... |
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Rogers Comments were not "necessarily" totally wrong. You can spread HIV from kissing, but it's not an "automatic" event. Read: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq17.htm
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: |
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The only problem with this is that it there is no documented cases of HIV being transmitted from open-mouth kissing. The article says "one case suggests..."
If anyone would care to research that one case I think you would find that both parties has broken skin in their mouths (open sores) and that the researchers in this case are thinking that blood transfer had to have occurred.
The CDC, in its infinite wisdom, understands that there are trace amounts of HIV in all bodily fluids (including saliva) of those infected and thus are rightly cautious in saying what can or cannot happen. While thousands upon thousands of infected individuals have engaged in open mouth kissing with non-infected peoples, this one case is the only documented instance of possible infection.
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Flashman
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: |
If anyone would care to research that one case I think you would find that both parties has broken skin in their mouths (open sores) and that the researchers in this case are thinking that blood transfer had to have occurred.
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I'll do the research. I love that part. But I'll betcha bleeding gums from gingivitus(sp?) is enough to pose a high risk. My entire point being, even if there was ONE case, then that shoots a hole in the theory that one cannot acquire HIV from kissing. But I'll wager there were more.
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Flashman
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Well I googled and I yahoo'd and could only find the one case documented where kissing was "thought" to be blamed for HIV transmission. I also found a case where a woman with a bleeding mouth bit a 91 year old guy and gave him HIV.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D07EFD91139F932A25754C0A961958260
Neither was from saliva, but blood mixed in with saliva.
I searched everywhere....including W.H.O. and nothing.
All organizations still theorize that it is possible, but evidence shows that saliva alone is not enough for transmission of the virus - and all warn against giant sloppy make-out sessions. Who wants to be the one-in-a-million?
I'm glad no one took me up on the bet 
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RevJP
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Thanks for the confirmation Flashman. It is good to know I haven't wasted the last 10 years educating the public erroneously on HIV and AIDS.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Thanks for the confirmation Flashman. It is good to know I haven't wasted the last 10 years educating the public erroneously on HIV and AIDS. |
Really RevJP? I didn't realize this. Good for you! That's a good thing you're doing!
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RevJP
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Thanks P, but it is more of a necessity that a good thing. If the youth would realize they would be much better keeping their pants on, then it wouldn't be necessary to teach them how not to commit suicide by sex.
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Flashman
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Hey Rev,
People should not automatically believe you...I'm sure you know that. They should do their own research in order that you should be proven right. God's great isn't He?
I don't believe any preacher on face value alone. Everyone should take whatever food they are offered and research it to see if it is indeed food before they eat it.
God love ya!
Flash
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