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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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| Nobby wrote: | Birth Control!........... hummmm.... how about the old fashioned way?
Keep your pants on!!  |
This method is 100% effective, but unforuntately only a small fraction of humans are capable of doing it. |
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Ana
King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | Birth Control!........... hummmm.... how about the old fashioned way?
Keep your pants on!! |
That's all well and fine, but what about all the people who don't get taught about that because their parents feel it's an inappropriate subject to talk about? There are many many many people out there like that, believe it or not.
Proper education is necessary, and with that comes the burden of how to control those urges until you are ready. Birth control may be naught but a band-aid solution compared to abstinence, but it certainly isn't the cause of family decline. |
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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| cballard wrote: | | Personally, I see birth control as the basis for the destruction of the family that we are witnessing in the western world today. |
Can you explain this a little more? Why do you feel this to be the case? Where is the cause and effect? |
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Flashman
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Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Ana wrote: | | Nobby wrote: | Birth Control!........... hummmm.... how about the old fashioned way?
Keep your pants on!! |
That's all well and fine, but what about all the people who don't get taught about that because their parents feel it's an inappropriate subject to talk about? There are many many many people out there like that, believe it or not. |
Ana's right about the parents. A good honest, open talk with your kids, a bit more soccer or swimming and less TV and hanging out at the mall, all these things would help raise healthier-minded kids. They'd better adjust and just possibly might be able to keep their pants on. But I'm not holding out for that...it'd be nice tho'.
I don't see the difference between abstinence and birth control methods, as long as there are no harmful side-effects to anyone. Both stop an egg from being fertilized. And both if I'm reading cballard right, could be misconstrued as defying Predestination. I'm not a firm believer in predestination tho'. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Flashman wrote: |
Ana's right about the parents. A good honest, open talk with your kids, a bit more soccer or swimming and less TV and hanging out at the mall, all these things would help raise healthier-minded kids. They'd better adjust and just possibly might be able to keep their pants on. But I'm not holding out for that...it'd be nice tho'.
I don't see the difference between abstinence and birth control methods, as long as there are no harmful side-effects to anyone. Both stop an egg from being fertilized. And both if I'm reading cballard right, could be misconstrued as defying Predestination. I'm not a firm believer in predestination tho'. |
I agree with everything you say here, Flash. |
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Flashman
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Flashman wrote: |
Ana's right about the parents. A good honest, open talk with your kids, a bit more soccer or swimming and less TV and hanging out at the mall, all these things would help raise healthier-minded kids. They'd better adjust and just possibly might be able to keep their pants on. But I'm not holding out for that...it'd be nice tho'.
I don't see the difference between abstinence and birth control methods, as long as there are no harmful side-effects to anyone. Both stop an egg from being fertilized. And both if I'm reading cballard right, could be misconstrued as defying Predestination. I'm not a firm believer in predestination tho'. |
I agree with everything you say here, Flash. |
Well, thank ya, P! See ya later. |
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cballard
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| P123456789, you asked what is the cause and effect. Birth control has allowed sex to be relegated to personal satisfaction and not a unity of love. The effect is casual sex, and a lack of commitment to your sexual partner. This attitude of selfishness and lack of responsibility for one's actions has poisoned the society to such an extent that love and commitment is hardly to be found. The lack of these leads to the break up of the family unit. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:13 am Post subject: |
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You do realize that it's only recently that prostitution became illegal, right? That before 1910-1915, it was legal throughout the United States?
Commitment was accomplished because the victims of arranged marriages (or the men, anyway) were able to sate their lusts with ladies of the night. Casual sex was rampant, as prostitution wasn't nearly as stigmatized as it is today. Couples didn't love each other, this idea that marriages should be between two loving people is a relatively modern phenomenon.
Did this lead to the break up of the family unit? |
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Ana
King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Flashman wrote: | | Ana wrote: | | Nobby wrote: | Birth Control!........... hummmm.... how about the old fashioned way?
Keep your pants on!! |
That's all well and fine, but what about all the people who don't get taught about that because their parents feel it's an inappropriate subject to talk about? There are many many many people out there like that, believe it or not. |
Ana's right about the parents. A good honest, open talk with your kids, a bit more soccer or swimming and less TV and hanging out at the mall, all these things would help raise healthier-minded kids. They'd better adjust and just possibly might be able to keep their pants on. But I'm not holding out for that...it'd be nice tho'.
I don't see the difference between abstinence and birth control methods, as long as there are no harmful side-effects to anyone. Both stop an egg from being fertilized. And both if I'm reading cballard right, could be misconstrued as defying Predestination. I'm not a firm believer in predestination tho'. |
I concur, Flash! |
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cballard
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| FFT, where are the statistics to back up your statements? I believe you exhibit way too much conjecture. Besides that, there has always existed good and bad. The difference is that in today's world is that evil is exaulted and virtue is dismissed as ignorance. Not so much different than the Roman Empire at the time Christianity began. |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| cballard wrote: | | FFT, where are the statistics to back up your statements? I believe you exhibit way too much conjecture. |
It's more of an inductive argument.
Remember the song "House of the Rising Sun," for instance? It's about a kid going to a brothel as a rite of passage. This sort of thing was extremely common in the days before the Woman's Christian Temperance Union.
Further, even though people were free to engage in this vice (and did), it didn't lead to any sort of catastrophic breakdown of the family unit.
| cballard wrote: | | Besides that, there has always existed good and bad. The difference is that in today's world is that evil is exaulted and virtue is dismissed as ignorance. |
What evil is exalted?
What virtue is dismissed as ignorance?
| cballard wrote: | | Not so much different than the Roman Empire at the time Christianity began. |
Ah, now who's conjecturing?  |
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cballard
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The Women's Temperence Union didn't really change human behavior. People have always had the choice to live in virtue or vice. That song just told of the sorrow of living in vice. This sort of thing, as you say, was extremely common, yes, but it was recognized as an evil. Now many want to say the people are free to chose that life.
There is such a dicotomy in thinking in today's world, especially in America. We have the Puritan don't smoke, do drugs, or drink. This is bad for your body. On the other hand, anything goes with sexual appitites. Even though this is also bad for your body, we act like it is a much more excusable vice.
Tell me, would you argue that the family unit is stong in American culture or do you also believe like me, that it is in decline?
What evil is exaulted? Casual sex for one. The belief that another human life is not of value unless it can survive on its own or serve my purposes.
What virtues are dismissed as ignorance? Recognizing the value of each human life, chastity, modesty, the belief that human beings are the ltenants of the earth, and not its ruler.
Not conjecture. Documented history. Just as our history will be documented. |
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golfjack
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Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Location: arizona
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: reply |
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Amen, Cballard.
May God bless, golfjack |
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Flashman
Pit Bull
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| cballard wrote: | | FFT, where are the statistics to back up your statements? I believe you exhibit way too much conjecture. Besides that, there has always existed good and bad. The difference is that in today's world is that evil is exaulted and virtue is dismissed as ignorance. |
How very true, cballard, how very true. What you get from your [worthy?] adversary is going to be the same stuff from the skin of a trout when you land it into the boat. Don't ask him for facts that back up your views, tho'. This trout [fry] is only about argument and not about truth. |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Flashman wrote: | | cballard wrote: | | FFT, where are the statistics to back up your statements? I believe you exhibit way too much conjecture. Besides that, there has always existed good and bad. The difference is that in today's world is that evil is exaulted and virtue is dismissed as ignorance. |
How very true, cballard, how very true. What you get from your [worthy?] adversary is going to be the same stuff from the skin of a trout when you land it into the boat. Don't ask him for facts that back up your views, tho'. This trout [fry] is only about argument and not about truth. |
I already admitted that it was an inductive argument, brainiac. |
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