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FFT
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 Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | I have no earthly idea. I suppose I could call virtually every AMS facility in the world and try to get some raw data... but then again, I have seen some videos of 'amatuers' going out, gathering samples, taking them back to his home and testing them with his own AMS machine.... I guess I would have to determine how many of these things have ever been made, their location, servicability, get a good look at their maintenance records, their calibration records, etc... is that what you want me to do, or is there a point to your question here? |
If it's a small number the anomaly could simply be due to a biased sample.
| Trinity1 wrote: | | I'm sure you have heard of the different types of oil... their associated weights... etc... Some oil is higher quality than others. It depends greatly upon its weight and density. |
But this would have absolutely no bearing on its C14 content, would it? If it was as simple as finding the most "pure" oil, physicists wouldn't have to constantly test oil samples for C14 content, they could just test for quality.
| Trinity1 wrote: | | Well... the only thing you have cited is that phone call. What else am I suppose to assume you did? |
I examined as much of the counterwork as I could find, to start with. I found it somewhat lacking and came up with a different possible source of contamination based on the available information. I called to see if it was justified.
| Trinity1 wrote: | | Ok... let me ask you this then... what would you say that a c14 has to be before it becomes questionable... or anomalous as you have inferred? |
Would you test liquid nitrogen with a house thermometer if you had a thermometer that measures close to absolute zero?
I'm pointing out that date results when C14 dating coal are anomalous because they are an anomaly — because the other methods used to date coal return [several millions of years] reliably, but C14 returns but a small fraction.
Saying that the coal must be new because of C14 results is as if someone snuck a house thermometer into some sort of scientific thermometer testing competition (as odd as that would be) and then insisting that liquid nitrogen must be 50 degrees celsius. |
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Trinity1
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Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | If it's a small number the anomaly could simply be due to a biased sample. |
I don't think it is small number... you can do some checking... I have no earthly idea. But it is not an anomoly... I do know that it is not an anomoloy, as in this case, the anomoly would be coal found WITHOUT c14.
| Quote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | I'm sure you have heard of the different types of oil... their associated weights... etc... Some oil is higher quality than others. It depends greatly upon its weight and density. |
But this would have absolutely no bearing on its C14 content, would it? If it was as simple as finding the most "pure" oil, physicists wouldn't have to constantly test oil samples for C14 content, they could just test for quality. |
I have no idea again... oooohhhhh... two in a row  .... I'm slipping... 
| Quote: | | I examined as much of the counterwork as I could find, to start with. I found it somewhat lacking and came up with a different possible source of contamination based on the available information. I called to see if it was justified. |
and the justification was??? That is my point...
| Quote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Ok... let me ask you this then... what would you say that a c14 has to be before it becomes questionable... or anomalous as you have inferred? |
I'm pointing out that date results when C14 dating coal are anomalous because they are an anomaly — because the other methods used to date coal return [several millions of years] reliably, but C14 returns but a small fraction. |
"Other methods to date coal?" No no no... that is why I asked the question. What is being dated is what is found in the coal beds... not the coal itself. Think about that for a just a second... if you are dating volcanic ash (or whatever else is found with the coal) that is in the coal bed... are you dating the ash... or the coal? That is the point. Your results are not from the coal itself. |
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