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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: Re: CAN ANYONE = = KEEP THE 10-COMMANDMENTS? |
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| Roger459 wrote: | HOW ABOUT SOME FEEDBACK?
CAN ANYONE = = KEEP ALL OF THE 10-COMMANDMENTS?
Thanks, RR |
Jesus Christ taught us how to do it the same way He did.
ONLY true Christians, hoping to get into heaven, keep all God's Commandments.
AND, they do so out of love for God, proving themselves, Christians. |
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Ardnassdac
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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I'm 16, and I've broken around 7 of them.. So.. I dunno.. Didn't think I'd broken that many, till I just looked at them properly and thought about it.. I dont think it's THAT hard, if you are brought up being taught them from birth, church and all that... But as I have not (by no fault of my families).. I think it was harder...
I think everyone leads their own lives, everyone is different. So you cannot say
'CAN ANYONE = = KEEP ALL OF THE 10-COMMANDMENTS?'
it should be 'can you keep all of the 10 commandments?'
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Ardnassdac
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Jesus Christ taught us how to do it the same way He did.
ONLY true Christians, hoping to get into heaven, keep all God's Commandments.
AND, they do so out of love for God, proving themselves, Christians. |
Can you only go to heaven if you follow ALL the commandments?? Man, I'm doomed!! |
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PrysdieHeer!
Big Pit Bull
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
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Location: South Africa; Gardens of Pretoria
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Ardnassdac wrote: |
I think everyone leads their own lives, everyone is different. So you cannot say
'CAN ANYONE = = KEEP ALL OF THE 10-COMMANDMENTS?'
it should be 'can you keep all of the 10 commandments?'
xxx |
The Answer to both is the same, Yes.
1Cor10:13:"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. " |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| Ardnassdac wrote: | | Can you only go to heaven if you follow ALL the commandments?? Man, I'm doomed!! |
Depends upon who you talk to. There are some who say the Ten Commandments are not part of the Law of Moses. Most, though, believe that the Ten Commandments comprise the core of the Law of Moses. If they do, then we have this passage from the New Testament:
(Rom 3:20-28 KJV) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Yehu |
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PrysdieHeer!
Big Pit Bull
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
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Location: South Africa; Gardens of Pretoria
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Yehushuan For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
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Past tense!
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"All have sinned" does not mean all is sinning.
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1Joh3:9:"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
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Joh8:11:"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
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1Joh3:14:"We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death."
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Thinking all is sinners is not the same as thinking all were sinners.
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1Pet4:2:"2That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God."
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Now I am not saying that I am without sin, Just that "The flesh is week" is no excuse for sinning nor is it impossible not to sin.
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Prys die Heer! |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| PrysdieHeer! wrote: | (Rom 3:23 KJV) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Past tense!
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"All have sinned" does not mean all is sinning. |
Son, this is why you need to learn Greek.
The verb in Romans 3:23 (sin) is in the Aorist aspect, not the past tense. For one to think of “have sinned” to mean a completed action, the Perfect aspect must be used. It wasn’t. The Aorist aspect was used instead.
It may help if you read this: LINK to instruction regarding Verb Aspect in Greek.
παντες (all) γαρ (for) ημαρτον (sin – Second Aorist Active Indicative)
| (LINK to comment on Aorist aspect.) wrote: | | So please remember: aorist does not mean past...! Aorist means simply - aorist. There is no equivalent for this word in English. So even though the aorist past tense is a very common verb form, do not make the mistake of thinking that something in the aorist is something that takes place in the past. You will never be able to understand the other aorist verbs - the aorist infinitive, aorist participles, aorist imperative - if you make this mistake. The aorist is an aspect of the Greek verb - it is not a tense. |
Now I wish I had better links for you, but suffice it to say, “For all have sinned” is Not past tense, indicating a completed action that will never occur again, but rather Paul is speaking about single isolated instances of when people sin. “For all have done sin” is probably the best English translation for this phrase. Paul is referring to single isolated events of sin that may also occur in the future.
Yehu |
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PrysdieHeer!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: |
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It seems I did not make my statement very clear. Sorry.
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I never said sin is something of the past, just that Paul did not say all are doing sin, but all had sin.
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The Link you gave me is very useful.
But “For all have done sin” still fits my argument.
All have done sin does not mean all is doing sin.
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The local Reverent ones ask me which of the 10 Commandment I am guilty of breaking. I told him I gone through all of them and I am not doing sin. He told me I am doing sin Because I say I am not Doing sin And he used Rom3:23 to State his argument.
I never said i have no sin I said I did not do sin.
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Once someone asked me when did I Sin last.
So I said about 2 weeks ago.
He said that is impossible because all have sin.
Yes, i agree but that does not mean all is doing sin.
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Prys die Heer! |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Yehushuan wrote: | Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Yehu |
This is man's attempt to disobey God.
Why do most peole ignore..... Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. |
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pato
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: big 10 |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Yehushuan wrote: | Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Yehu |
This is man's attempt to disobey God.
Why do most peole ignore..... Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. |
Primarily bc they almost never finish the verse....
for by the law is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN. The law's purpose is to point out for us what SIN IS so we can recognise it and quit practising it. It's purpose is not nor ever will be to cleanse us from sin, only Christ's blood can do that and our faith therein exercised produces our justification. |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Why do most peole ignore..... Romans 2:13 |
For the exact same reason YOU just ignored (and condemned) Romans 3:28
(Rom 3:26-28 KJV) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
I can't believe you just trashed scripture! (And you pretend to lead the Church?)
Yehushuan
You might just want to consider that Romans 2:13 is an earlier part of the argument that Paul refutes and goes on to present his conclusion in Romans 3:28. Yes indeed Paul says “doers of the Law are justified”, but he then goes on to say that NOBODY CAN DO THIS.
(Rom 3:19-20 KJV) Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
So while doers (those having deeds of the law) “shall be justified”, no doers actually ARE justified because ALL doers fail.
How is this so confusing to you? |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| PrysdieHeer! wrote: | | It seems I did not make my statement very clear. Sorry. |
Well I’m sure something is lost in the translation.
Do you mean e.g. as in “for example”? It is not written Eg, but e.g.
| PrysdieHeer! wrote: | | He told me I am doing sin Because I say I am not Doing sin |
You have my permission to ignore him.
| PrysdieHeer! wrote: | He said that is impossible because all have sin.
Yes, i agree but that does not mean all is doing sin. |
My friend there is so much within your simple statements that I literally have no idea where to start.
I feel your zealousness for the things of God, yet can only say your journey has just started and the road is Very, Very long. Just realize that God may need to teach you some different things from what you think you know.
Are you able to not sin because of your human will power? Or does God help you (somehow) to be able to not sin? Your post to Ardnassdac gives the impression that She on her own and by her own willpower can keep the 10 commandments. I’m sure you believe otherwise, but that’s how she would understand your post.
Think about this one for a bit:
(1Jn 3:9 KJV) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Yehu |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Yehushuan wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | Why do most peole ignore..... Romans 2:13 |
For the exact same reason YOU just ignored (and condemned) Romans 3:28 |
I didn't ignore anything.
I just understand what Romans 3:28 really says.
And the rest of the Bible explains what I understand......
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
3:29 [Is he] the God of the Jews only? [is he] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
3:30 Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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(Rom 3:26-28 KJV) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. And yet the rest of the Bible verse explains.....
3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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I can't believe you just trashed scripture! (And you pretend to lead the Church?) |
I lead no one !
I merely bring out Scriptures, that most people don't want to know about.
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You might just want to consider that Romans 2:13 is an earlier part of the argument that Paul refutes and goes on to present his conclusion in Romans 3:28. Yes indeed Paul says “doers of the Law are justified”, but he then goes on to say that NOBODY CAN DO THIS. |
Wrong again.....Jesus Christ did it.....Abraham did it.....Moses did it.....Job did it.....ect....ect....ect.
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So while doers (those having deeds of the law) “shall be justified”, no doers actually ARE justified because ALL doers fail. |
Yes, 'have' failed...until they met Jesus Christ, and believe what HE said.
Jesus Christ told every person that they CAN keep God's commandments.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
People who do NOT keep the commandments do NOT know Jesus Christ.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | Jesus Christ told every person that they CAN keep God's commandments.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
People who do NOT keep the commandments do NOT know Jesus Christ. |
And there you go again, trashing scripture by changing the words.
It says "my" commandments and "his" commandments (meaning Jesus'), and yet you just go and change the word to “the” commandments meaning Moses.
Ain’t you cute.
Yehu
PS: At least we know from this post that you believe Jesus is God. That seems rare for this board. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Yehushuan wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | Jesus Christ told every person that they CAN keep God's commandments.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
People who do NOT keep the commandments do NOT know Jesus Christ. |
And there you go again, trashing scripture by changing the words.
It says "my" commandments and "his" commandments (meaning Jesus'), and yet you just go and change the word to “the” commandments meaning Moses. |
The 10 commandments are clearly Christ's ( as God), which He wrote Himself, on Mt. Sinai.
Moses NEVER wrote out the original 10 commandments.
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PS: At least we know from this post that you believe Jesus is God. That seems rare for this board. |
I didn't realize that that was a problem here.
The Bible clearly shows, Jesus is God. |
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