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nana Bear Cub
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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Greetings,
It is a hard thing for the flesh to let go of the law, it is called the lust of the flesh. If one considers himself to be a sinner he is under the law; for sin is the transgression of the law.
But we are not under the law, but under grace. If you declare yourself to be a sinner then you are also a whoremonger, liar, adulterer, fornicator, railer, murder, gossip, unclean, witch,drunkered and every evil thing, for to be guilty in one portion of the law is to be guilty of all.
All those things are carnal and of the world, but beloved we are not of the world because we reckon the flesh to be dead. I don't judge after the flesh because when Christ died the flesh died and we were raised up together with Him.
Christ throughly purged his floor. Every man was purged of sin when Christ went to the cross.
John 1:29, "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, WHICH TAKETH AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD."
He is not continually forgiving one of sin. Sin was forgiven once and for all and we by faith are to stand in that knowledge.
Eph 1:17-18, "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened: that you may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints."
We are to walk in the perfect law of liberty.
II Cor 8:7, "Therefore, as ye abound in everything, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in THIS GRACE also."
I cannot sin because I am born of God. When you judge yourself a sinner you deny the works of Christ and you are under the law.
This was not some little thing that Christ did when He went to the cross, it was the glory of the world.
In Christ, Judy |
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soleprobe1 Fierce Puppy
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| okieguitarman wrote: | | We are the bride of Christ.... |
My apologies because I know this is off topic and I agree whole heartedly on many of the things you say and I also used to believe that 'we" believers are the bride of Christ but there are scriptures that do not support this belief.
John 3: 29
“He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.”
Here we see John the Baptist referring to Jesus as the one who has the bride while he refers to himself as the friend of the bridegroom, “but the friend of the bridegroom [not the bride of the bridegroom] who stands and hears Him….”
Matthew 9:14-15:
“Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, ‘Why do we and the Pharisees fast often, but Your disciples do not fast?’ And Jesus said to them, ‘Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them?’”
Mark 2:19:
“And Jesus said to them, ‘Can the friends of the bridegroom fast while the bridegroom is with them?’
Why would Jesus, who was taking on His role as the bridegroom while making this statement, refer to His disciples in this context as His friends and not His bride?
I used to believe that believers were the bride based upon what men taught me from Ephesians 5: 25-33:
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church … that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, …So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; ….’For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Now I was taught that the “great mystery” that Paul was referring to was the “great mystery” of Christ and the church. But I believe that the tone and direction of that statement “This is a great mystery” is directed not towards Christ and the church but is directed towards the scripture he was just quoting. In other words the “great mystery” is a man leaving “his father and mother and [being] joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” not Christ and the church.
There is also no clear statement in the scriptures that clearly says that the church is or we are the bride of Christ.
Revelation 19:9:
Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’”
This sounds more like those who are blessed because they are called, or invited, to the marriage supper as guests or friends, but not called or invited as the bride; for the bride is not called or invited to her own marriage supper because she is the main focus of the marriage supper. |
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nana Bear Cub
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Greetings Sole,
No one was married to Christ until after the Resurrection. John the Baptist was a friend and counted it a joy to be so. The same with the apostles, they were not sons until Christ died for sin in the flesh, for the world and raised us up and seated us together with Him in heavenly places.
Galatians 4:4-6, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
It is important to divide before and after the Resurrection.
Hope this helps, In Christ, Judy |
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soleprobe1 Fierce Puppy
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| nana wrote: | Greetings Sole,
No one was married to Christ until after the Resurrection. John the Baptist was a friend and counted it a joy to be so. The same with the apostles, they were not sons until Christ died for sin in the flesh, for the world and raised us up and seated us together with Him in heavenly places.
Galatians 4:4-6, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
It is important to divide before and after the Resurrection.
Hope this helps, In Christ, Judy |
Hello Nana,
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. When you say “….raised us up and seated us together with Him in heavenly places.” Has nothing to do with the “marriage supper” which will take place in the future.
Also the Son of God was not “made of a woman” but He was carried in the womb of a virgin woman after being conceived by the Holy Spirit and did not at all take on any of the likeness of the virgin woman but the exact likeness of the eternal God. And those who are sons are not brides or the bride but they will be at the marriage supper by invitation.
With regard to the resurrection, the first resurrection has not yet taken place and will happen at the moment when Christ returns, very soon, and the dead in Christ will be raised, incorruptible, and those who are alive in Christ will be changed to immortality, just after the dead are raised, to meet the Lord in the air. This has not yet taken place.
Faithfully,
Sole |
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Zathrus King Kong
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| nana wrote: | | But we are not under the law, but under grace. If you declare yourself to be a sinner then you are also a whoremonger, liar, adulterer, fornicator, railer, murder, gossip, unclean, witch,drunkered and every evil thing, for to be guilty in one portion of the law is to be guilty of all. | nana, I really like this. This explains the passages where the new testament says "Know ye not that no (insert list of vices here) shall inherit the kingdom of God?" yet this statement occurs in a discussion of our righteousness apart from the deeds of the law. The writer is saying anyone who put themselves under the law was all of these things.
| nana wrote: | I cannot sin because I am born of God. When you judge yourself a sinner you deny the works of Christ and you are under the law.
This was not some little thing that Christ did when He went to the cross, it was the glory of the world.
In Christ, Judy | Amen. This is so refreshing to read. It is by being under the law that people become transgressors.
And yes, it was when I saw that I am truly free from the law that I truly realized the magnitude of Christ's work of redemption. |
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nana Bear Cub
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: The Ten Comm |
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Greetings Zathrus,
I cannot tell you how you have blessed me. I am sure now that when Jesus come we will greet each other with a Holy Kiss.
I think it is awesome what it is that triggers The Faith. I saw it clearly in Heb 10, my son saw it in I John 4:17 and I am not saying that you had not already seen Righteousness by faith, because I know you did, but only that it has been made clearer by another passage.
Again, praise the Lord, Judy |
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nana Bear Cub
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Greeting Solo,
Respectfully, you missed my point, but it was not your fault. I am sure that it is because my somewhat lengthly post was lost and I shortened the next one so much that I probably misrepresented myself.
I am caring for my very aged parents and I have frequent interuptions. Sometimes I find that if I remain on a post to long it will be lost. You have taught me a lesson.
I agree with your entire post, it is right on in my BOOK. |
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soleprobe1 Fierce Puppy
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| nana wrote: |
Respectfully, you missed my point, but it was not your fault.
I am caring for my very aged parents and I have frequent interuptions. |
Thank you nana and may God bless you with your labor of love towards your parents |
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Zathrus King Kong
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: Re: The Ten Comm |
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| nana wrote: | | I saw it clearly in Heb 10,... | Heb 10 is indeed a very powerful passage. Very liberating. What our Lord did in freeing us from the law and from sin is awesome!
God bless. |
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zadok17 Show Poodle
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Pertaining to the topic of this thread. Evn if I can't keep the 10 Commandments, I can go boldly to the throneof grace and obtain forgiveness. For when the Veil was rent in twain after the sacrifice of my Saviour, that gave me a right to approach the throne of Grace and obtain forgiveness if I break any on the commandments. WHAT A MIGHTY GOD WE SERVE! |
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soleprobe1 Fierce Puppy
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Once one comes to the knowledge of the truth they cannot continue to practice sinning in the mind or in deed; they must overcome and grow and route all sin out of their mind and deeds through the power of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Christ did not die so that I could continue practicing lawlessness, meaning so that I could continue to sin.
If one says that they cannot sin and what they really mean is that they still sin in mind and/or deed and they believe that those sins are not counted as sins because they are somehow covered, nullified, or nonexistent, because of Christ’s sacrifice, that person is going to be unpleasantly surprised come their day of judgment. |
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LivingStones Newbie Alert
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Many times have the peoples of God rebelled and not followed his Commandments and like the loving Father he is, he tells us still that Israel shall always be the Apple of his eyes.....hence the call seen throughout scriptures is to repent and turn back unto the Covenant with our God.,,,(PS just one oppinion among many out there these days)
Israel being not JUST the city Judah/Jerusalem but twelve nations, tribes made as prophesied into 12 great nations as per the promise of our God.
And time after time we as the peoples of God turned toward other ways and heeded others covenants and laws, rituals, festivals etc, and time after time God then delivered us (us as a peoples being "us" as all 12) into the hands of our enemies for this cause.
So here we are today, under not TEN LAWS (our Covenant with our God) anymore, because we have nothing any longer to to do with them for lack of knowledge this is so.
SO TODAY BOTH JERUSALEM AND ISRAEL (JUDAH AND IMMANUEL'S KINGDOM) COME UNDER SEVEN....
HAD WE HONORED OUR TRUE COVENANT WITH GOD THIS WOULD NOT HAVE COME TO PASS, THE COVENANT OF MANY BEING ESTABLISHED RIGHT NOW ...BY MAN.
SEE...America and Judah's new foundation law/covenant with mankind ie many...
See Pubic Law 102 -14
Made CIVAL LAW right here in good ol USA
WHY is the Holy Arc still a treasure in heaven, it with its TEN commandment Covenant laws of our God? Why is it still before God on the alter of God, as the righteous offering between God and between man? Why isit that we see the children of God through a smoldering hot sea of liquid sand, each grain of sand going through the fires of great tribulations...all gathered under the Covenant of God and man, all gathered as in a firey furnace of Babylon, seen gathered under the Arc of God's Covenant TEN before Jesus and before God?
Hath not Jesus told us there is forgiveness in him? even as there is forgiveness in God?...We are not without sin not one of us, yet we are to rise above sin and seek perfection in the Covenant which God hath given unto his own...the effort my friends is where our hearts are, the desire to please our God, is worth a great deal to God and is woth a lot to Jesus also whom is our Judgement thereof.
Jesus now he presides in the temple wherein in the center of which is still found the holy Vessels of God which the high priest presideth over as a great treasure of God's delight...and God delighteth in his Covenant with us and we with him, so there in the midst of the temple we find Jesus and God and the Holy Arck which holdeth our Covenant TEN.
For surely if if we love our God we will not find the Covenant Ten grievious to bear, but a delight to share.
For thr first five are the guiding laws of what constitutes honor and devotion of and to God and the other five are the laws of love for one another, it is upon this Covenant of God that the ancient prophhets of God rested their faith and hope in.
For Hath not Jesus tried over and over to tell us how that our Father is a loving God?
Hath not Jesus continually told us that if one loveth another there is place for forgiveness? Are we to think that God would not forgiveth his own?
But as for the 7 laws (Covenant of many ie man) there is not found the love for the sons of Adam/man.
In these 7 laws the love of many shall grow cold, and by their hands shall the followers of Jesus and the remnant of Judah be laid low.
The Assyrian King shall come, it is foretold, unto Judah and then Immanuel.
For we learneth not to do good in the sight of our Father/God.
And for this we shall be given over into the hand of he that maketh desolate, the destroyer...(SEE: CHIMAERA)
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Livingstones, you wrote:
| Quote: | | And time after time we as the peoples of God turned toward other ways and heeded others covenants and laws, rituals, festivals etc, and time after time God then delivered us (us as a peoples being "us" as all 12) into the hands of our enemies for this cause. |
I was looking at the shewbread and how the priests set out twelve loaves of bread representing Israel.
1Sa 21:3 Now therefore what is under thine hand? give [me] five [loaves of] bread in mine hand, or what there is present.
1Sa 21:4 And the priest answered David, and said, [There is] no common bread under mine hand, but there is hallowed bread; if the young men have kept themselves at least from women.
This bread consisted of *twelve loaves* made of the finest flour. They were flat and thin, and were placed in two rows of six each on a table in the holy place before the Lord. They were renewed every Sabbath ( Lev 24:5-9), and those that were removed to give place to the new ones were to be eaten by the priests only in the holy place ( see 1Sa 21:3-6; Mat 12:3,4).
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Luk 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
Luk 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if [he ask] a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Exd 39:14 And the stones [were] according to the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, [like] the engravings of a signet, every one with his name, according to the twelve tribes.
now we have twelve loaves of bread and twelve stones...
how many loaves did Jesus feed to the people?
Mat 16:9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the *five loaves* of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
Mat 16:10 Neither the *seven loaves* of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
twelve loaves of bread...same as the amount of shewbread on the table.
So was Israel fed to the enemies?
Mat 14:19 And he commanded *the multitude* to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and *gave the loaves* to [his] disciples, and the disciples to *the multitude*.
Mat 15:36 And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake [them], and *gave* to his disciples, and the disciples to the *multitude*.
as refering to the Jews:
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
multitudes:
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD [is] near in the valley of decision.
Mat 4:25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and [from] Decapolis, and [from] Jerusalem, and [from] Judaea, and [from] beyond Jordan.
valley of decision, decision:
1) sharp-pointed, sharp, diligent
n m
2) strict decision, decision
3) trench, moat, ditch
4) gold (poetical)
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 18
AV - gold 6, diligent 5, decision 2, threshing instrument 2, sharp 1,
sharp things 1, wall 1; 18
I see the same scenerio happening in the wilderness with Moses, when the people were crying and God sent manna from heaven.
Exd 16:32 And Moses said, This [is] the thing which the LORD commandeth, Fill an omer of it to be kept *for your generations*; that they may *see the bread* wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.
Deu 8:16 Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do thee good at *thy latter end*;
If they hadn't "kept the bread" then we never would have "seen the bread"...and the "bread" in the end brought a blessing.
We see the blessing now, but Israel will see it in the end.
Funny thing about bread...
we grow it and eat it, and then it leaves the body, goes back into the earth, becomes dirt which grows new bread, which gets eaten.....
Spiritual bread is the same..we take it in, it fills us, we send it out from us and it fills others and in the end returns to the giver...
In the beginning God created a garden.....
self sustaining...pretty cool too.
what goes around comes around I always say..
God Bless
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Snowy Tadpole
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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(Eph 2:14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
(Eph 2:15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; |
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Silver Surfer King Kong
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Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: reply |
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| golfjack wrote: | | I am a new creature in Christ Jesus. The Bible says I have dominion over sin. God raised us up with Christ, and seated us with Him in the Heavenly realms in Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6). There are many In Christ realities in the Epistles (about 200). Therefore, I view the real me as not a sinner, and the old me has passed away. I view the 10 commandments as love commands from God for our own good. I believe the best way to grow in Christ is to renew our minds in the Word of God. We all can miss the mark, but we have a God of mercy who is just to continually cleanse from all unrighteousness by using 1 John:9. I believe if we continually call ourselves sinners, we stand a good chance of sinning. Again, I am a New Creature in Christ Jesus. | AND the proof of that statement is the keeping of God's 4th commandment.......
20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
May God bless, golfjack[/quote] |
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