Paul did not reflect Jesus' compassion towards women.

FFT

1 Corinthians 11

5 But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered disgraces her head, for it is one and the same thing as having a shaved head.
6 For if a woman will not cover her head, she should cut off her hair. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, she should cover her head.
7 For a man should not have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man.
8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man.

1 Corinthians 14

33 [...] As in all the churches of the saints,
34 the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. Rather, let them be in submission, as in fact the law says.
35 If they want to find out about something, they should ask their husbands at home, because it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.

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1Co 11:3 But I want you to know and realize that Christ is the Head of every man, the head of a woman is her husband, and the Head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:4 Any man who prays or prophesies (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonishes, and comforts) with his head covered dishonors his Head (Christ).
1Co 11:5 And any woman who [publicly] prays or prophesies (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonishes, or comforts) when she is bareheaded dishonors her head (her husband); it is the same as [if her head were] shaved.
1Co 11:6 For if a woman will not wear [a head] covering, then she should cut off her hair too; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her head shorn or shaven, let her cover [her head].
1Co 11:7 For a man ought not to wear anything on his head [in church], for he is the image and [reflected] glory of God [his function of government reflects the majesty of the divine Rule]; but woman is [the expression of] man's glory (majesty, preeminence). [Gen. 1:26.]
1Co 11:8 For man was not [created] from woman, but woman from man; [Gen. 2:21-23.]
1Co 11:9 Neither was man created on account of or for the benefit of woman, but woman on account of and for the benefit of man. [Gen. 2:18.]
1Co 11:10 Therefore she should [be subject to his authority and should] have a covering on her head [as a token, a symbol, of her submission to authority, that she may show reverence as do] the angels [and not displease them].
1Co 11:11 Nevertheless, in [the plan of] the Lord and from His point of view woman is not apart from and independent of man, nor is man aloof from and independent of woman;
1Co 11:12 For as woman was made from man, even so man is also born of woman; and all [whether male or female go forth] from God [as their Author]. 1Co 11:13 Consider for yourselves; is it proper and decent [according to your customs] for a woman to offer prayer to God [publicly] with her head uncovered?
1Co 11:14 Does not the native sense of propriety (experience, common sense, reason) itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is a dishonor [humiliating and degrading] to him,
1Co 11:15 But if a woman has long hair, it is her ornament and glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.

So what is Paul really talking about here? Is he just saying a woman has to wear a hat when she prays? I think he is making a different allusion, perhaps one concerning a woman going out on her own, out of the love and protection of her husband. Her head covering is her husband is it not? I think Paul is alluding to the idea that a woman should entreat God in union with her husband, not by herself. He speaks of shaving her head, basically putting off her husband, rejecting him, and tells us that this is not the plan of God.

Nobby · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:53 pm Post subject:

God created man! Man was created for God. Very Happy

God created woman from man! Woman was created for man. Very Happy

FFT · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject:

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Nobby · Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject:

Roger459

(2Peter 1:20-21) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of The Scripture is of any private interpretation.
(2Pe 1:21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

PERHAPS YOU MISSED THESE VERSES?

NOT PAUL'S OPINION = BUT THAT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!

PERHAPS YOU ALSO MISSED = ISAIAH 55:6-TO-11 ? ? ?

Thanks, RR

golfjack · Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: reply

We can still be moved by the Holy Spirit to prophesy.

May God bless, golfjack

Roger459

(1Corinthians 14:31-32-33) For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

(1Co 14:32) And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

(1Co 14:33) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

A True Prophet = WILL NEVER SPEAK ANY LIES [John 8:44] AND SAY THUS SAITH THE LORD!

A False Prophed = WILL MIX LIES IN WITH TRUTH = and make it all seem like Truth! [Jude 1:3-4]

PERHAPS SOME HAVE MISSED = Jazabell that Woman Pastor of the Church of Thyatira = in Revelation 2 ? ? ?

How about Romans 1 ? ? Who left the Natural USE = FIRST? ? ? A Man or a Woman?

IN CHRIST = WE ARE ALL EQUAL, YET IN SERVICE, POSITION AND FUNCTION, THE MAN IS ALWAYS TO BE PREMINATE!

Thanks, RR

scarecrow · Tadpole Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 20

when you take pauls background into account, it is easier to see the basis for the conservative viewpoints he expressed.
when you consider that he was a member of the sanhredan[spelling?]
an extremly demanding and discrminating group.
this type of adherance to traditions, i believe would lead to very restrictive social customs as far as women were concerned.
please remember the importance of the woman in establishing one ancestery and status as a jew.
i do not belive women and men were in the same area in traditional jewish temples, were they?
i do not remember jesus ever speaking or interacting with a woman in a temple..?
wereas in the christian churches paul spoke of, woman were clearly an active part.
this was probably a difficult time for them as far as what rules of the jewish laws were a hinderance to the christian faith.
look how much grief still occurs over the sabbath day worship.
paul did encourage adherace to christian faith if a woman was called and could remain single, she could do so.
i believe that the pressure was on traditionally for all woman to marry in the society of the time. this is a admission of womans worth as a free soul.
he also told men not to divorce their wife if they did not believe in christianity. again a recognition of womans rights as a spouse.
he also called on the church to care for the women who had no one to care for them any more.
paul could not predict the changes the world would would present.
he was speaking of the world of the time.
so it does sound very backward when compared to how we live today.

i suspect if we lived by the observations of the other apostles, such as peter, or john women might have even more restrictions.

i believe paul was chosen for a reason.
just as john the babtist was chosen for his role.

just my opinion scarecrow

Roger459

PERHAPS this who thought that MAN ADDED HIS OPINION and that is why we have a particular BIAS = = IS NOTHING MORE THAN == SATANIC WARFARE = = AGINST THE HOLY SCRIPTURES!

WHO WROTE THE SCRIPTURES?

(2Peter 1:20-21) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(2Pe 1:21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

DID YOU MISS THOSE? DID YOU MISS THESE?

(2Timothy 3:14-to-17) But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
(2Ti 3:15) And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
(2Ti 3:16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(2Ti 3:17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

AND NOT INCLUSIVE NOR LEAST ?

(Isaiah 55:6-to-11) Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
(Isa 55:7) Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.
(Isa 55:8) For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
(Isa 55:9) For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
(Isa 55:10) For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
(Isa 55:11) So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

GET OUT OF THAT PAULINE MINDEST AND GET INTO THE "GOD DID IT ALL = MINDSET!

PERHAPS IT WOULD DO YOU GOOD = = SPIRITUALLY = = TO MEMORIZE -= = = = 2Corinthians 10:3-to-6 and apply it to James 1:22?

Thanks, RR

MoJo · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:10 am Post subject:

Ran across these scriptures this morning in John 4.

It was by means of Jesus speaking to the Samaritan **woman** that she went to the city and testified of him. What did she do?? She said; "Come see for yourselves"

She went before him saying come. That is all any of us do. He teaches.

Very Happy

golfjack · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: reply

I will add one comment. Sometimes it seems like what Jesus said and what Paul said is in contradiction, but we know it can't be. All scripture is under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and so it is what Paul said in His letters. He wrote over half the New Testament. When we interpret scripture, we must pay close attention to whom the author is speaking to. Therefore, we must rightly divide the Word of God. Also, many times Jesus was responding under the old law because He was under the Old law.

May God bless, golfjack

FFT · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: Re: reply