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Roger459
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 Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: DID YOU READ ALL THE SCRIPTURES? |
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(Jude 1:3) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you = of the common salvation, = it was needful for me to write unto you, = and exhort you that ye should = earnestly contend for the faith = which was once delivered unto the saints.
(Jude 1:4) For there are certain men = crept in unawares, = who were before of old ordained = to this condemnation, = ungodly men, = turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, = and denying the only Lord God, = and our Lord Jesus Christ.
DID YOU MISS THESE SCRIPTURES? |
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christina
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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anyone that lives under the laws of the old are bound to it.
none of us are perfect and the bible says none would make it to the kingdom of God under those laws. But now by The Grace of God & through our faith in Jesus christ we have been saved. See if it was not for him we would still be under conviction of those laws without forgiveness. |
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Roger459
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: GOOD MORNING! |
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Cristina,
WHAT about James 1:22 & Romans 13:9 & Luke 6:46 = HOW do they fit into what you see about The Law?
PERHAPS if you will view Law and Word in GOD'S CONTEXT = you will find a ballance?
(Hebrews 10:16-17-18) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I [GOD] = = will put My LAWS = = into their hearts, = = and in their minds will I write them;
(Heb 10:17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(Heb 10:18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
GOD SAYS HE WILL PUT = = WHAT = = INTO THEIR HEARTS = = AND WHAT INTO THEIR = = MINDS? ? ?
PLEASE tell me = = WHAT THE WHAT IS? ? ?
Thanks, RR |
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christina
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| The way we were living then was wrong the way we respected the laws were wrong, we would commit sin and then offer animals as sacrafice to clean our wrong, we were buying our sin. thats not what God wanted so that convent was broken and the new covenant is with or through Jesus, the laws before were on tablets but now the new laws are written in our hearts; Jesus comes and gives not his words but the words of our Father in heaven the laws jesus gives us are the same but with more of an understanding. Thats why we dont sacrafice the way we were required to before. Jesus is the end of the old covenant and the beginning of the new covenant. |
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christina
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Roger459
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: YOUR ANSWER! |
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Christina,
Have your read through your Old Testament yet? Those laws = GOD'S LAW'S = were given to A Peciular PEOPLE= His People to be different from ALL THE OTHER PEOPLES OF THE EARTH!
ALL THOSE ANIMAL SACRIFICES were pointing to THE ONE AND ONLY = ONE SACRIFICE FOR ALL SIN = CHRIST JESUS [See 1 Cor 5:7 Christ our Passover]
Perhaps you could download the free Bible Software, www.e-sword.net and do a Word Study?
An Over View of the Law is in the New Testament book of Hebrews! Yet thought out All the NT, there is the Law, see Romans 13:9?
THE LAW IS OUR SCHOOLMASTER [Read Romans] to show us = WE COULD NEVER KEEP THE LAW!
I AM A SINNER
I HAVE A SAVIOUR
HIS NAME IS JESUS
IF I SIN, I GO TO HIM BY = 1John 1:5-to-10
HE IS COMMING BACK = FOR HIS
WILL YOU BE HIS? John 7:38
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christina
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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I dont need to down load nothing I have a Bible many versions.
However this forum is not for debate so on that note i will not continue to respond to this thread |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| christina wrote: | | The way we were living then was wrong the way we respected the laws were wrong, we would commit sin and then offer animals as sacrafice to clean our wrong, we were buying our sin. thats not what God wanted so that convent was broken and the new covenant is with or through Jesus, the laws before were on tablets but now the new laws are written in our hearts; Jesus comes and gives not his words but the words of our Father in heaven the laws jesus gives us are the same but with more of an understanding. Thats why we dont sacrafice the way we were required to before. Jesus is the end of the old covenant and the beginning of the new covenant. |
I don't think they are new laws christina...but that the spiritual truth that lay under the stone was revealed.
all of God's laws are good and perfect, David says so..
But when they were read in old time they were seen as flesh and blood, black and white...they didn't understand the true intent of the law.
But we have been set free from under the burden of the law written in stone and now we walk in newness of the spirit.
God's spirit and God's laws are inseperable. We just need to take off the sunglasses and see the light of the matter...
thats how I see it...
peace
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Sky
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: | isn't there a quote from the New Testament where Jesus says that he did not come here to destroy the old laws?
If the bible is "God Breathed", then did God change his mind? |
Jesus came to fulfill the law.
The bible is not God-breathed, the bible as is commony referred to did not come into existence until the early 1500's and the KJV a hundred years after that.
Jesus was not referring to the 'bible' or even the NT which, at the time of Jesus, had not even begun to be written.
Instead, Jesus was referring to what we regard as the OT and, specifically, the laws and prophecies therein as given to and handed down to the Jews.
What we know of and refer to as the bible is not inerrant and without error, however, within those errors there does exist the inspired and innerrant word of God. |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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(I was wondering how all these people got all those posts written in such a short time, and then I saw most of the discussion was back in March.  )
Hi, Sky,
As a minor point of history, the Bible as we know it hadn’t needed official canonization until the Council of Trent (see link) in 1545. However the book quite existed well before then, with the Vulgate primarily taking precedence after Jerome (see link) translated the collection of books of the Bible into Latin, completed around the year of 405 AD (see link). The earliest list of books considered appropriate to read in church that describes the New Testament in the order as we know it was published by the Bishop of Alexandria, Athanasius in the year 367 AD.
The entire concept of a "canon" for the New Testament seems to have been instigated by a desire to fend off Gnostic and other "heresies".
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Sky
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Yehushuan wrote: | | As a minor point of history, |
Thank you, Yehu, I am aware of this, however, I cannot unequivocally endorse a great many of the Catholic viewpoints; which is why the latter dating was used.
Chiefly among additional difficulties in the historicity of the bible's development is in how Erasmus' ultimate text was altered to favor 1) his humanist (he was known in his time as the 'prince of humanists') thinking and, also, his changes to favor the Catholic Church's viewpoints; not to mention the fact that he pushed to complete his version rapidly to beat someone else to the printer--and the list goes on.
You are correct in the Gnostic and other heresies reference; from the 'motherland' to England various flavors of Universalism abounded; always, it seems, concurrent with, or slightly ahead of the spread of the Word. |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: | | the bible as is commony referred to did not come into existence until the early 1500's |
I still must beg to differ. While the Vulgate was written in Latin, and may have certain linguistics slants toward Catholic doctrine, I rather think that anyone from this age would say, “Oh, the Bible!” when handed a copy of the Vulgate back in the early 400’s. After Athanasius’ list in 367, there really wasn’t much further controversy, especially in light of Constantine’s desire for uniformity in the Church.
Regarding Erasmus, he was hardly a friend of the Catholic Church, and while not embracing the Protestant doctrine of salvation apart from baptism, he was certainly a support of Martin Luther. Are you familiar with the work of H.J. de Jonge? This might provide you with a more indepth view of the impact of Erasmus.
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Sky
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| Yehushuan wrote: | | Regarding Erasmus, he was hardly a friend of the Catholic Church, and while not embracing the Protestant doctrine of salvation apart from baptism, he was certainly a support of Martin Luther. Are you familiar with the work of H.J. de Jonge? This might provide you with a more indepth view of the impact of Erasmus. |
Hello Yehu,
Erasmus was enough of a friend of the Catholic Church that he dedicated his Textus Receptus to the Pope. Also, he was an avowed Catholic and died one.
Luther was, as with Erasmus, a humanist; so, also, was Calvin. With that you may well recognize those humanist influences within their respective denominations even today.
H.J. de Jonge: Not really, I've just downloaded his 16 page, "The Biblical Canons" but I'll have to look it over later as it is getting a bit late.
As far as Erasmus is concerned, a few months ago I concluded a several month study of him. Nonetheless, I would be interested in looking over de Jonge's critique of Erasmus. If you can point me to more specific urls it would be appreciated.
Sky |
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