Did Jesus come to shatter the old laws?

admin · Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:47 am Post subject:

I split this into a new subject. Very good subject by the way.

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject:

I look at it like this...

The same way that there is a spirit in your flesh, is the same way there is a spirit in the laws.

Jesus did not come to fulfill the requirements of the flesh but of the spirit.

not the letter written in stone, but the letter written in spirit.

Jesus fulfilled the law by keeping it in the spirit of the letter, and he told us and showed us how.
And now we too are also to keep the spirit of the law.

What does the spirit of the law say?

Love God with all you heart, soul and mind..
And love your neighbor as yourself.

And again...
Love is the fulfilling of the law.

you have to remove the covering of the law by looking underneath the requirements of the flesh.
And these are explained in the new testament.

such as:
It's not what goes in the body that defiles a man, its what comes out of his mouth.
The things you speak are either health or poison to the bones.

Jesus did not do away with the law, he removed the stone covering and unveiled the spirit.

Peace
Lone

dpainter · Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:02 pm Post subject:

Matthew 5:16-18 (New American Standard Bible)
16"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may (A)see your good works, and (B)glorify your Father who is in heaven.
17"Do not think that I came to abolish the (C)Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
18"For truly I say to you, (D)until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

trettep · Lion Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 910

Jesus didn't come to shatter the old laws but to fulfill them. In fact the word for fulfill means to make them replete. The letter of the law was only an aid to help explain the Spirit of God. Murder was an example of the end result of hate. Adultery was the end result of lust. They are examples of what one do if they had those things in their heart. Consider the Sabbath law for example, it was unlawful to do any work on that day. It was a day when one was not to be burdened. So if one is hungry are they not burdened? How hard is it to be unburdened if one is hungry? How restful can one be that is hungry? Notice how the Pharisees responded to Jesus about His disciples:

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were hungry, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

The Pharisees were looking at the letter as the pinacle of the law when it was only an example.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The Spirit of the Law (the reason for which those other laws were made) is the REAL Law upon which the letter was based on. But man's wicked heart was made manifest because he leaned on the letter to govern his ways. So thus man was in bondage to the letter. The governed quickly saw the law as a burden but they were in fear because those that kept the law had no mercy for they didn't see these traits that were the basis of the Law.

Notice what Paul says:

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Now some point to the sacrafices as evidence that the law was taken away. The LAW was NEVER taken away, only the LETTER of the Law and those other FLESHY things that were of the LAW that served as but examples.

Jesus says the Law was given by Moses:

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

So think about this for a moment - if Jesus got rid of the law then there NOBODY can sin because sin is the transgression of the law:

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

So the LAW was never done away with only the ordinances that were contrary to us.

The LAW was added for a purpose:

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So you see the LAW is still ALIVE in the hearts of those that love God and those that DO His commandments but not by way of the letter but of the Spirit.

Paul

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject:

AMEN!!

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Edited by author for improper placement in this thread Smile

my aplogies again.

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Pondering · Lion King Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1273

Admin,

My apologies. This thread and my most recent comments are not in the forum guidelines for this section. I meant no offense. the original comments were in the bible discussion section and this was moved here...I simply continued my thoughts without looking at the criteria for this section.

However, I'm still interested in other points of view, so I ask that you tolerate me here or move this back into the regular discussion section.

Smile

trettep · Lion Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 910

hugh · Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:24 am Post subject:

What is the law? if one is refer to the ten commandments they are still valid, but if you ref to the way the people on earth where to live there lives in acordance with god ( covenant) then yes there was a problem with the frist one. herbrew 8 : 7-13 as stated god found fault with the frist covenant so he made a new one.

One has to look at the whole history in order to under stand how the hebrew made ther offerings, asked for givness, and that the holy sprit was held in the most high place where only the most high priest was alowwed ( under mean conditions?), in the past we did not communicate directly to god and he did not speak directly to us ( he would use a prophet) this is a subject one has to read hebrew 8 - 11 to get a understanding on and i am sure ther are other reading fellow christians can advise you on? But getting back to the law you have to under stand that under the old law, if you broke one law you broke them all! Boy what a life. look at any human being to day and ask your self if any one of us would have been able to handle the old law? to day the law is written on your heart herbrew 8: 10-12.

the new covenant was the new way to follow in gods foots steps, with you now carrying the law around with you. Wink

sidwms · Tadpole Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 25

Dear Friends:

The apostles were under the law; or, in the Old Covenant.

A) The Gentiles were commanded not to obey the law - Col 2.9-17.

B) The Jews were commanded to continue keeping the law - Mt 23.1-4.

C) Paul wrote that reighteousness could not come by the law - Rom 4.

D) Paul explained that the law was a curse on the nation of Israel, till the Anointed would return in "this generation" (Mt 24.34).

Salvation was only possible by the "laying on of hands" to receive the Holy Spirit.

But the Book with 7 seals has a new and better way.

sidwms

Roger459

WHICH SCRIPTURES DID THESE USE TO TEST THE APOSTLES DOCTRINE? NT -OR- OT?

(Acts 17:11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received THE WORD = with all readiness of mind, = and searched The Scriptures = Daily [HOW OFTEN? ? ?], = whether those things were so.

(Hebrews 10:14-to-17) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
(Heb 10:15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
(Heb 10:16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, = = I will put MY LAWS = = into their hearts, = = and in their minds = = will I write them;
(Heb 10:17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

(Romans 13:9) For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

NOW = I ASK YOU = IS THE LAW OF GOD = DONE AWAY WITH? Perhaps you should read Matthew 24:35?

Thanks, RR

Man-what-a-ride · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject:

The law was given so that everyone could see that our righteousness is as "filthy rags". ("for all have fallen short"). We can't KNOW it is sin unless God says "This is WRONG." That's what the law is. Jesus came here and lived a blameless life. When He died on the cross He took all our sins onto Himself, which means that when God looks at us (meaning those who have accepted Jesus as their savior) He sees Jesus's righteousness life. Thus, the law has been upheld for each and everyone of us, who accept Christ. (A gift has to be recieved.)