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ekspiulo
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| lone-traveler wrote: | Is it necessary, in your opinion, that one must know all of this information to discuss these topics? or just to debate this thread?
How am I supposed to learn if I don't question?
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A deep and functional understanding of the scientific method is absolutely a prerequisite for all the debate on this forum.
Do I have to learn all this first, or can I learn as we go along? |
Well as you state the daunting nature of understanding the scientific method keep in mind two things. It is relatively simple, and most of those links I posted were redundant. Any one of them can probably tell you everything you need to know. I just provided several in case one was worded in a way that didn't 'click' with you.
Yes I do think its necessary to debate the existence or non existence of scientific ideas on the boards. Things such as "ID is just as valid as the ToE" and "There is proof of ID" and "irreducible complexity disproves the ToE" all require "a deep and functional understanding of the scientific method."
Things such as "A creator could have created the universe" and "God might have designed life to evolve" and "I have faith that. . ." do not require any understanding of the scientific method, But there will always be intersections between these kinds of things on a forum like CvE.
| lone-traveler wrote: | | Is just simple faith for me to believe that there is a creator too difficult to discuss in this forum? |
In my opinion, there is nothing to discuss there. If you have simple faith that there is a creator than that is all there is to say about it. Matters of religious truth are personal and not subject to the same kind of debate as scientific truth is. There is no 'Religious Method' 
| lone-traveler wrote: | Is it possible that science/evolution/and faith can somehow learn to understand each other?
Why can't faith believe that science and evolution originated from a creator and evolution and science say that the possibility of a creator could be there? |
According to the operating philosophy of science, methodological naturalism, scientists should not be making claims about the existence of a creator, but this is very rarely what is debated. Most people try and claim that some natural thing is evidence of a creator, and what stuff is evidence of what is within the realm of scientific debate.
The same applies to religion towards science. All religious texts are commonly held to have been written down by humans, and parts of them were limited to human understanding of the world at the time of their writing. In this way, much of religion has no real interaction with science. The truths found in parables of the Bible, for example, are only religious truths. They were never intended to describe scientific truths.
If a person believes differently as a matter of pure faith, there is nothing to debate, but if they think there is scientific evidence for believing differently, they have entered the realm of scientific truth.
If someone were to come on this forum and say, "I have faith that a god is responsible for the existence of all life on Earth," or, "I take it on faith that a god created the universe," I would have nothing to say to them. It is only when religious truth (e.g. god creates all life) is disguised as scientific truth (e.g. saying god created all kinds of life at a certain time or in a certain way) that there is a problem.
"How" and "When" are questions of science. "Who" and "Why" are questions of religion.
Scientific truths do not provide evidence for or against religious truths and vice versa. Belief in matters of religion such as the existence and behavior of God can not be determined scientifically, only by faith can these things be known, and lone-traveler by realizing this you are a lot closer to true understanding than a lot of people on this board I think.
| lone-traveler wrote: | I'm glad you didn't choke...
didn't mean to get you all shook up... |
Don't blame yourself blame my mac and cheese.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Thank you all for your patience, and answering my qustions 
Mac and cheese...that stuff can kill ya LOL 
have a great day!
Lone
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admin
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Excellent post - I like this:
If someone were to come on this forum and say, "I have faith that a god is responsible for the existence of all life on Earth," or, "I take it on faith that a god created the universe," I would have nothing to say to them. It is only when religious truth (e.g. god creates all life) is disguised as scientific truth (e.g. saying god created all kinds of life at a certain time or in a certain way) that there is a problem.
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nakhash
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| Ryck wrote: | | I think creationists feel the same way about atheists who speak ignorantly about the Bible, particularly Genesis. |
Most creationists have never read Genesis. |
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