The Chip

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:29 pm Post subject: The Chip

Product manufacturers and retailers such as Wal-Mart use similar technology to monitor the movement of goods. VeriChips, which were approved by the Food and Drug Administration for human implantation in 2004, have been used for tagging pets and identifying high-security workers, but not for managing morgue cases before, Applied Digital spokesman John O. Procter said.

While some privacy advocates fear that implantable chips could lead to unwanted tracking of humans, relatives of those who died in the wake of Katrina welcome the technology

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Star · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject:

Think it could be spiritual buying and selling Lone? Spiritual mark of sorts?

(Mat 21:12) And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that ((( sold and bought)))) in the ((( TEMPLE ))) Shocked

and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that ((( sold doves ))) John 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not ((( my Father's house)))) an """"house of merchandise""" 2Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words (((make merchandise of you))) whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Duet 24:7a If a man be found (((( stealing any of his brethren)))) """men stealers"""(1Tim 1:10)2Corinth 11:20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage...Gal 4:24 mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage Duet 24:7b of the children of Israel, and ((( maketh merchandise of him))) or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you. 1Cor 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

Heres something a sister in Christ at another forum said...

*When we are converted (not having the mark of the beast), we are no longer able to "buy" (as in "buy into" accept, or believe) what they (the churches of the synagogue of Satan - where the beast is "selling" lies and the "masses" are "buying" it) what they are "selling" (the lies)......

And we are not able to "sell" (as in "convince" others of) the truth... (we can't even give it away for FREE) Is this not true of the natural man (as a beast) "receives NOT the things of the Spirit".

Star writes,

Although I would have worded it differently I can see her point in what she said, to give her credit to the saying and not myself.

No more "exchanging the truth (of Gods Spirit, Gods Holy annoiting oil) for a LIE whereas the annointing is truth and NO LIE and as IT as taught you abide in Him. The beast ""speaks against"" (as natural brute beasts) those things it CANNOT KNOW (spiritual things). Ever notice the sign given of the birth of Christ was a sign that would be SPOKEN AGAINST?

I thought this was interesting...

Judas SOLD the Gift for "SILVER" we have another in acts trying to BUY (The gift ) with GOLD. And yet WE are tried as the same in a spiritual truth.

Job 28:15 Job 28:15 It """cannot be gotten""" for gold (your gold perish) neither shall silver be weighed [for] the price thereof.

Ezek 28:4 With """THY wisdom""" and with """THINE understanding""" thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

Not laid out perfectly Lone, but little keywords linking things together concerning Mark of the Carnal mind= Death and Mark those who cause divisions and an indication of the right hand of fellowship and what it could mean spiritually... I don't believe it has anything to do with anything outside in the world but the religious world... But thats just how I am seeing it.

Mark...?

Mark 16:17 """MARK them""" which """cause divisions"" and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 1Cor 3:3 For ye are yet CARNAL: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and """divisions""" are ye not carnal, and walk as MEN?

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, """except they be AGREED""??

2Corinth 6:16-17 And """WHAT AGREEMENT""" hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, (to the pure all things are pure but to the defiled NOTHING IS PURE)

2Cor 6:14 Be ye not """"UNEQUALLY YOKED"""" together with unbelievers: """ FOR WHAT FELLOWSHIP""" hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Right hand and agreement to walk by grace

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the GRACE that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the """RIGHT HANDS"" OF FELLOWSHIP; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

The yoke of Moses and the light yoke of Christ is an unequal yoke?

Isaiah 16:12 That led [them] by the """RIGHT HAND of Moses""" with his glorious arm??

Psalm 109:6 let Satan stand at his RIGHT HAND Shocked

( ACCUSER of the brethren?)

John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is ONE that ACCUSETH YOU EVEN """MOSES""" Shocked

in """"whom ye trust"""

I'm convinced one manifests the beast in us (The law) and faith in Christ conquers the beast in us? Kinda like the law shows you the man of sin (wretched man that I am?) and Christ sets you free from the power of Sin= The law, that sin hath no dominion over you for grace?

Concerning...

Ecc 3:18 """the estate""" of the """sons of MEN"""

Ecc 3:18 they might SEE that they """"themselves are BEASTS Shocked

"""

James 1:23 For if any be a """"hearer of the word""" and NOT A DOER, he is like unto """"a MAN beholding his NATURAL FACE Shocked

""""in a glass""""

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a """"sea of glass mingled with fire""""" and them that had gotten the victory over the beast (natural man hearer not a doer) and """"over his image"""" (natural face) and over his mark (divisions/ Carnal) [and] over the number of his name (man / beast 6th day No rest day or night= not in Christs rest= 7th day... still looking) STAND ON """"the sea of glass""" having the harps of God.

2Corn 3:18 But we all, with OPEN FACE Very Happy

beholding as """"in a glass""" the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same IMAGE from glory to glory, [even] as BY ""the Spirit of the Lord""

1Cor 2:14 the NATURAL MAN """receiveth not"" the things OF the Spirit of God

2Peter 2:12 But these, as """"NATURAL BRUTE BEASTS""" made to be taken and destroyed, """""speak evil of the things that they understand not""""(spiritual things) and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

1Corinth 2:14 """"neither can he know [them]""" because they are spiritually discerned.

Jude 1:10 But these (((( speak evil of those things))))) which THEY KNOW NOT""": but what they """"know naturally"""as brute beasts, """"IN THOSE THINGS they corrupt themselves""""

Mat 5:30... for it is profitable for thee that one of """thy MEMBERS Shocked

should perish"""" and not [that] thy """""whole body"""" should be cast into hell.

James 3:6 And """"the tongue"""" is a FIRE, a world of iniquity: so is THE TONGUE among our """MEMBERS Shocked

"""", that it DEFILETH the """"whole body""""" (what comes out of a man)

Luke 16:24... cool MY TONGUE Shocked

for I am tormented in """"this FLAME"""

Ministry of condemnation= by your own words= Tongue= death

This then makes great sense... The tongue (power of life and DEATH)

James 3:6 IS SET ON FIRE """OF HELL""" (gees think death is """followed by""" hell here? Seems like its ""in ones heart"

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld [even] """"till the beast was slain""" and """his body destroyed""" and given to the """burning FLAME"""

Tongue, "member" set course of "nature" (beast) defileth body, Cool my "tongue" a fire. tormented of "this flame"

Jerm 10:14 EVERY MAN is BRUTISH IN HIS KNOWLEDGE every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image [is] falsehood, and [there is] no breath in them.

Acts 9:18 And immediately there """"fell from his eyes as it had been scales"""

Psalm 73:22 So foolish [was] I, and IGNORANT:(((( I WAS)))) [as] a BEAST BEFORE THEE

1Titus 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer (just like the beast) and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] """"IGNORANTLY in unbelief""""

Victory through the faith of Christ
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lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject:

Hi star,

There are two sides to every coin. The spiritual side which I see with you. And then we have the wonderful flesh side. Physically speaking. LOL

I still believe that whatever we (((imagine))) will manifest itself in the physical. Everyone for ages has been stressing over this chip in the hand and LOOK here it is LOLOL. Like magic hahaha.

We live in a 3 dimensional world so I suppose everything would manifest itself 3 fold. Physically, mentally, and spiritually.

So maybe it's not just both sides of the coin, but what the coin is made out of too.

I found it amusing.....

Lone
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david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

good am
Star, i must say you put up too much food for comment. You know how some restaurants pile it on, and you just sit there and take out your doggy bag and bring the rest home.
you quote some very nice verses , and comments, but though you try and tie in all them together and then drop the "victory with Christ", as the finale just makes me feel i 've sat through 3 sermons in 3 different churches all one behind the other as if i walked from one block to the next to listen to the next preacher and then everyone of them ends with ," an jesus paid the price, praise jesus" so i go home empty b/c all they said i've forgotten b/c it was just an impressive collection of verses they prepared and memorized and at the end the remember what Seminary and the PHD, they got told them to tell everybody, for the grand finale.
Basically b/c the Seminary boys know that what is punctuated at the end goes out the door with the listeners.

now i'm not saying you are not sincere and your heart is not caring and loving, i'm just saying there is only so much food one can eat at one sitting. And not unlike LOne Traveller who sometimes goes off on a million question tangent, it's hard to start somewhere and be fair to answer or comment on your points.
Furthermore , your comments after you (((((______)))))) are sometimes not coherent with what was orginally intended by the writer or Prophet.
Now it's nice to quote verses from the Holy Prophets, but this Gymnastic display of look here , look there , look over where, back here and so on is just TOO MUCH,
let me tell you why.
The pulpit loves this method and in a lesser way than you typically using three verses maybe four to reinforce their point they have used a method of mind control, using 'syllogisms', look up that word. It's an ancient technique for brainwashing , even used by the USA government , strategically from the bully pulpit. Sometimes, often, it's written into speeches so effectively by professional writers to convince their audience of the point desiring to be made.

However, back to my point, the Bible is almost written in letter form. By that two points apply here. First and foremost it has been guided and directed by God , and through His eternal, omnipresent expanded Holy Spirit, in the heart of man He is able to direct the outcome. Hence, the Bible in it's present form despite whatr Jews may say ,that the Torah is the Bible and the NT is an addition of mans hand, and despite what man may say that the English language is a faultered language and with out the orginal manuscripts, one cannot possibly know exactly what was written and said. Despite all the negativity and attacks on it's credability, It remains as a Book that has been in tact and current today in it's form (s). And i say that (s) b/c the many different English Versions exist and do not conclude nor even compliment each other, but raise questions of speculative nature as to the orginal intent of the verse.

But despite that, whenever you quote verses, i , me here DAvid2, does not just accept the verse and comment, but must go that verse and usually read at least 12 verses before and after to see just what, mood or pattern of writing was going on by the Holy Spirit, at that time. By that , i'm implying was the tempo, literal , symbolism, a figure of speech or was it a combination of words that was being repeated by a former Holy Prophet ( same Holy Spirit) but with different adjectives, prepositions and objects to support the subject that the writer making a point about.
In other words, the Bible is not about just verse pulling and saying "here it is folks, this is what it means, see here, see there, now do you get that!!!!".
so for what it's worth, and i hope you do not take this personally, b/c i'm truly seeing a passion in your posting, and lone travelers, but you have to slow down the content , so one can make a reasonalble reply.

NOW , having said that , i know how many of you, read my posts and say ," i 'm way to criptic , or it's not exactly clear what i'm saying "
Admitttedly " SOMETIMES" i am a little mysteious, and criptic , suggesting or, making certain points a little ambigious , however, there is another nuance that exists between me and the listener. please look up that word. It's eternal and is ever increasing in it's color.
i like to stay as long as i can, where i perch and give as much of myself as i can , without getting the boot, which has become an all too familiar pattern, out here in these forests.
The jungle is full of all kinds but the the 'brute beasts' are a plenty and when the decide that they don't like any strange animals enter their protected forests, they send or they personally escort them out of their kingdom.
now since forests are usually just there, ie not gates you can enter from any angle and that i do and change my dress sometimes but never change my heart. Sometimes , i'm like a monkey , othertimes a bear, sometimes a lamb other times and elephant, and other times i come in as a lion just like one of them.
But as you know there are differnet types of lion personalities, some are very, physically violent and others just stand a roar, and all hear the mighty roar and run.

Well, that's my post for here..

peace and remain faithful
there is victory in the annointing, Star
Rev,3:18......." anoint thine eyes with the eyeslave of love, that thou mayest see."
19 " as many as i love I rebuke and chasten, be zealous therefore and repent", 20 " behold i stand at the door and knock..............dinner is being served, appetizer, entre, then dessert. all equally complimentary with the good wine.
repeated 7 times here in these two chapters, a sign of God. that these days are at hand.
David2

Star · Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:19 am Post subject:

David2... just consider it not for you, its something I put up to "consider" various types in a spiritual sense. Using words in scripture to see a spiritual mark, Spiritual beast, and where Jesus adressed the buying and selling(in the temple) and what was being merchandised as scriptures would define it, rather then our imaginations might define it.

Like I said, its not for everyone,I just put it out there like you put out your many thoughts Wink

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