Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the bible

lone-traveler

Ok so what do you suppose this is all about LOLOLOLOL.....

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the bible.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C13509-1811332%2C00.html

Does this mean we get to pick and choose which ones we want???

They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”.

Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast of Christ the Lamb.

The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how many will be saved and about when the end will come.”

OH BOY!!!

Lone

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

lone traveller,
Be it what it is. It's just proof and another sign the times are at hand. God is at work and quickly moving things forward. i" m implying that Revelation will be revealled and brought into perspective very soon.
i went ot the article you found and read a whole series of interesting comments by readers, of which some are very accurate others well? you know , oh boy?-_____ But this is coming at a very interesting point , did you notice it pointed to the US as being those who are bringing the bible into the forefront. There is an interesting play going on here and the Director has always the last Word. It's not over till the final chapter or scene has taken place. despite what those Bishops ans cardinals are trying to propose as truth. Nonesense, their biggest problem is that not one can make a decision it's always a collaborative effort, and since none can aggree, but agree to disagree they fall somewhere in between. ie heresy, and heretic. Take your pick. lol

What has then over the barrel, is their strain with literalism vs, poetry vs metaphors, and symbolisms etc. They cannot hear b/c they are selfishly motivated and concern themsleves with being heard as opposed to listening.
The Bible , God's Word is spoken through the Holy Spirit, and first you must connect there. Without that connection it's like listening to a radio station that is too far off and doesn't give you proper voice but static with the odd " oh, i can hear, oops, is staticky again, now i can't.
Without a clear connection everything will fall into blurriness. Subsequently, without the final say, or Good Word as is prophesied by the Holy Spirit, then everything will go on as usuall, just missing the True connection. So to deny parts of Revelation, discredits the whole book, similarily as , one responder said. Either you can accept or revject the Bible as God's Wprd but after 17 C to decide it 's time to make omissions, is the perfect seguay into what will finally come to pass, The White Throne Judgement and Armageddon, despite what all the naysayers say, ie " it's not the time or season yet".
I've read may of your post s, and as i said you raise some very good questions that would never get a clear response from the Christian Church Isms Ists, ar RCC,. It would take them a month of Sundays just to get through one of yor questions and then conclude that each to his own interpretaion. _____________ that's a fact!
They are headless and won't admit it. Despite the POPe's postition and the vatican beneath, These men are in cloth of colour and not white raiment, and there business is in the trees with baboons.lol

peace unto you
Tks for the article
David.

heisenburg · Ferret Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 109

If I may...

A few points, I think what is meant by the "being appropriate for the changing times" mearly means we can use interpretations that are realy only for the hear and now. The bible was not written just for this generation. It was written for all generations, so, yes, any view, any reading must be viewed with respect to overall history and the changing times, not JUST for today. If you have an interpretation that realy only applies to today, it isnt a good one... So I agree witht hat statmenet as should all regardless of denomonation...

The Catholic Church does NOT refute Revelation in any way shape or form. At most, the church says that Revelation is very heavy and exrtremely symbolic One person reads it and gets one thign, another will get something else. Catholics do not ignore revelation, but more repesct that it is an extremely difficult book.

A Literalist interpretation of the bible also can be bad. If you recall, (cant remembner the verse soorry) Paul says he threw himself onto the sword ( Committed suicide in a literal sense) obviously he didnt as he continued to write. Mearly he ws self sacrafising for christ.

The Bishop is right, and most everyone will agree with him if the context of the overall paper is understood. I seriosuly doubt every thing will happen in revelation in a literal sense, so does almost every one of you. each of you have made postings accordingly in the past. I dont think ANYONE will understand the entirity of revelations until after the fact...

Catholics do not refute or denie the bible, That is a huge misconception that I have no idea where it came from...

If the words catholci werent involved in this paper, many of you would actully agree with many fo the pints. I think it is funny that the moment the word catholic comes up, a great many people (not necisarily here) automaticly say it is wrong.

Basicly, all this paper is saying is that the bible is both Symbolic AND Accurate. Depends on the section you are reading.

Revelations - Symbolic
Gospels - Accurate
Genisis - Both

Anyway, Just wanted to throw that out there before this became a catholic bashing thread.

Also, keep in mind, that while the Catholic Church is NOT saying we should disragard the bible as it sounds liek you think it is saying, There is one extremmly promonent person in history that tried desperatly to take out Revelations and James form the Bible - Martin Luther...

Anyway, I dont normaly vocalize my opinions on the Church as I know it is a flame point for many as I am mearly another person here trying to learn more about christ. All I am asking is that you guys respect that church like you would any other valid christian church...

Please I am trying to enure this response is in charity, so i beg each of you to please forgive me if I have angered you with my words

In Christ
J

golfjack · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:49 am Post subject: reply

The Rapture
Did you know that the Lord Jesus Christ is coming again to take all who have been redeemed by His blood to be forever with Himself in heaven? We learn of this exciting event, known as the rapture, from the only authoritative source of information about the future--God's Word, the Bible. We also learn from this Book that certain conditions will exist in the world just prior to and following the rapture. Because we see these signs of the "last days" (2 Timothy 3:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3) so prevalent in our current society, as well as prophesied political developments in the Middle East, Europe and elsewhere, we can say with all assurance that Jesus is coming soon. All is in readiness for the rapture (Revelation 22:7,12,20).
The Rapture and the Believer
The greatest day of the believer's existence will be realized when he sees Jesus face to face at the rapture (Revelation 22:4). He will be changed to be like Christ (1 John 3:1-3), forever free from sin and all its effects (Revelation 21:4).
The purpose of the rapture is to transport to heaven every one who has believed on the Lord Jesus Christ as personal Saviour since the first man, Adam. Though he sinned, and as a result all of mankind is subject to the wages of sin which is eternal death and judgment, God in love provided a Saviour for man in His Son. Jesus took the sinner's place in death at Calvary's cross. All who trust this blessed Saviour, believing He died for their sins and rose again, are cleansed by His blood from every sin, and have eternal life (1 John 1:7; John 3:15,16).
The Bible tells us these are the ones who Christ will rapture to Himself. "The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:16,17). There are many other Scriptures telling of this wondrous prospect for believers, such as John 14:1-3 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-56.
The Rapture and the Unbeliever
The unbeliever's life may not be affected immediately, except for missing those believers of his acquaintance who were taken to heaven, and by the tormenting knowledge that he can never be saved--that he is left on earth for judgment, and his eternal doom is sealed. Many will then seek salvation, but the door to heaven will be shut (Matthew 25:1-13).
According to Bible prophecy, in the seven years following the rapture, terrible times of trouble will be brought upon the earth by the Lord, with multitudes suffering physical torment and death. Though it is true that many people who have never heard the gospel before will be saved during the tribulation (Revelation 7:9-14), God says that all who have rejected Christ now before the rapture (including you, if you reject this message) will be sent "strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12). Ultimately, all unbelievers will be brought to face Christ as their Judge at the great white throne, and will then experience eternal spiritual death as they are cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15; 21:8).
The Rapture and You
Will the rapture be the greatest day of your existence, or will it be the beginning of unspeakable horror and suffering for all eternity? It all depends on whether or not you believe on God's Son (John 3:36). The most important matter you need to take care of is not to make a will, or buy insurance, but prepare to meet God by taking His salvation freely offered to you (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8,9).
You are not ready for the coming of Christ unless you have seen your need as a lost sinner, and trusted Him alone as your personal Saviour. If you are an unbeliever now and continue to reject or neglect this great salvation, you will never hear the shout, you will never be able to go to heaven (Hebrews 2:3; Luke 13:23-28). It will be too late to repent at the rapture, which will take place with no further advance warning in a split-second of time (1 Corinthians 15:52). "Now is the day of salvation" (2 Corinthians 6:2). "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31). Then you will be ready when Jesus comes, perhaps today!

May God bless, golfjack

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Nobby · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject:

Jack my bro. I liked your post. I was brought up in the protestant faith (The Assembly of God Church) & this is the way I/we believe! Very Happy

God Bless You,
Nobby

golfjack · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:10 pm Post subject: reply

Hi Nobby, thanks for the kind words. Keep on raising your hands up to the King of kings, Lord of Hosts, Abba Father, and Jehova Jihra, El Shaddai, (the God of who is more than enough).

Yes, we have similar backgrounds, but as a young man, I was brought up a Catholic, and there are Catholic Charismatics, and I treat Catholics just like any other Christians. I have ministered to many Catholics and sheppherd them to the Truth of God's Word. I am a born again, spirit-filled Christian that belongs to a Word of Faith Church. I was trained and fed by the late Rev. Kenneth Hagin. We called him papa dad.

Give praise and thanksgiving with a loud shout to the Lord.

Golfjack

Nobby · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject:

Jack, our pastor & his wife were brought up a Catholic! Just like you, they are also born again, spirit-filled Christians. My Pastor is 51 years old, not sure about his wife. Very Happy

golfjack · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:54 pm Post subject: reply

Nobby, Hagin was the humblist Christian I knew. He use tell many funny stories when he taught. Another great man of God is Oral roberts. Some have said that charged money for a healing during the tent revivals, but there is not a word of truth about this. It's a lie. As far as T.V. preachers go, Brother Hagin went to TBN. and rebuked them, and said if you continue to do this only for money, they will lose their gifts of the Spirit. He even rebuked his son for doing this, with love of course.

Remember when the system was down 2 Sundays ago, and couldn't get through. Well, right now, I still don't get reply notices. Is it your service or mine? In fact, when I finally got back on, the Noahs loungs had something dated in 1969. Would appreciate your help.

May God bless, golfjack

Nobby · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject:

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

lonetraveller,
the churches never not taught the truth to start with.
in 1998 i entered a Baptist church and asked to see there tenets, what they believed.
One point is, each member to his own 'Bible interpretation' i thought " ok" wel, after about six months of attendence and bible study " word, came" and i began to read the Bible 2-4 hours per morning, and soon i began to see that the churches including that " freedom of interpretation" was heresy, it all became clear and visiting with other churches, even the Jehovahs' for a couple of months, i say they were all in varying kinds of quagmires of doctrine. The Catholics were on their knees alot, the lutherns, the protestants, well, they were free, jehovahs were tight and cold, actually friendly but spooky, and really into early childhood brainwashing.

so i considered the condition of all the churches and they're just all about the same, and that said, my thought, "a good place to keep your kids off the street." join a big church and it's the new 'cultural center'
Anyways there are good people in all walks, whether 'a lone', ha ha or as a member of some cult, it's all good . God's Word will weed out the good and keep the amount he has reserved for the firstfruits..

peace'

Be weary of tipping on sundays, it's not important
God doesn't need a tip, he wants' your heart, and every inch of your wallet.

go figure___ wallet= implies time.
peace, happy trails there 'traveller in time'

David2

heisenburg · Ferret Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 109

Sigh...

It realy does make me sad to see some of the statements made about a christian church. There are so many misconceptions out there about the Catholic church it is no wonder people hate it. When you have Boettner (sp), Jack Chick, and books Like "The Gospel According to Rome" that are preaching either half truths or lies, i cannot blame those that theat the Catholic church with such venom.

When people say this church or that church never had truth to begin with, or that people found truth so they have left such and such church, it realy is hurtful. Not to me, not to that particular church, but the the over all church that is in Jesus. It is completely ok to not like the way someone worships, but I beg of you all, if you are going to disagree with something a differant branch of christ teaches, please, study their position. In the case of Catholics, dont use noted anti catholics as sources, use refrences that are either truely biased, or provided by the church. If the Catholic church realy did all those things that i have been told they do by anticatholics, I would never defend it but say it is a work of the devil. Fact is, a lot of the "offenses" that many people have issues with in the Catholic church are misconceptions at best, lies at their worst.

You guys know me, you also know I am not trying to come in here and push my views of what I believe on you. I normally offer one or two posts to something I disagree with, and let it go from there. I dont know if my zeal for christ makes me a charasmatic catholic or just a regular catholic that understands what she teaches, regardless, I know I am a christian. Personally, i think everyone becomes charasmatic in some degree once they really understand what it means to be christian...

You guys here are free to believe what you wish to, but all i ask is that you please research a claim truthfully before making it. I know all of you here are in a journey like I am to find a way to be closer to christ. All churches have some level of truth. do you think it is christs intention that we pick apart the things we dont like about the way someone else worships?

Hopefully not...

Everyone here is blessed in their journey. Keep learning. Always keep your faith in christ my friends. If there is any truth out there to be had, that is the crux of it...

Peace be with all of you and let christ shine upon each of you.
J

golfjack · Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:45 am Post subject: reply

Nobby, I don't know brother Roberts personally, but have heard him preach at camp meetings sometimes. I believe he is true prophet and has a tangible anointing for healing. If you are able, I highly recommend that you obtain Brother Hagins books about I BELIEVE IN VISIONS, and THE REALITY OF HEAVEN AND HELL. He based his whole ministry on Mark 11:23-24. The latter brought me to tears, and the Lord touched me in such a way, that I really have a desire to Evangelize, which led me to Rhema.

Heisenburg, I agree that Boetner is way over the top. There are many heresy hunters out there, and I try my best to not pay any attention to them. The primary reason I left the Catholic Church is that one day, I got down on my knees and said, LORD, I WILL NEVER GET TO HEAVEN THEIR WAY. I just couldn't follow all there rules and regulations. Therefore, after reading a tract that a Baptist friend gave to me, I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. What a relief to know for sure that I will be in heaven some day. One of the biggest problems, I have with the Catholic Church is that they believe they are saved by grace through faith with works. I guess, works means that one can lose their salvation if one commits mortal sin (not biblical). And has to be forgiven by a priest. The Pope is not and never will be a Vicar of Christ. As far as Peter being the rock, and the first Pope, it is up to you to prove this by what the Bible says. Personally, I believe the Catholic Church relies on assumption rather than the truth of the Word. Like I said before, many Catholics are saved, but many are not. I don't agree with Lone, and will not Catholic bash, but just try to bring a message to anyone who is willing to listen, so that possibly they can become part of God's family. I don't think what I said should offend you.

May God bless, golfjack

heisenburg · Ferret Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 109

Golf -
I appreciate your cander, and no, was not offended. I just hear on a very frequent basis (not necissarily here) the 'evils' of the catholic church. alot of it is smoke. I was just wishing to point out that alot of claims are made about many differant churches that upon research do not hold water. I am glad that you found the fervor in christ that you needed so please do not think I am critisizing your belief. In regards to peter the rock, there are two distinctly differarent interpretations to this verse. understandibly those that beleive which interpretation you beleive almsot always depends on whether or not you agree with the Catholic Church in general. Not a discussion for this thread though. I am willing to hear your explaination of little rock/big rock, if you will listen to my understanding in a One-on-one. Just know that i am not trying to "preach" to you. I only offer the understanding as I know it.
If you do not wish to go into this, i understand though and do not look at it as a sign of weakness Smile

From what i have seen of you Golf you are gracious in your actions in christ and for that i am appreciative to be aquanted with you.

In Christ
J

golfjack · Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: reply

Heisenburg, I would be happy to discuss with you one on one the issues I have with Catholic Doctrine. And also your issues about my faith with respect with each other. Just let me know as how to do this, as I am pretty computer illiterate.

May God bless, golfjack