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david2
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9 ---- the mark of he beast

what do you mean mojo?
did you read nine was the mark of the beast, it's 666 is it not.

OK ______ HERE'S A HINT, for the number of messiah consider the first and the last.

The key is David_____ Rev 3:7
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is this, David; 7 is Jesus Christ, 8 is God and 9 is the beast. The corresponding letter for 9 is "I" interpreted as vanity or ego.

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

If you have other knowledge, David, it's time to share. What is the purpose of being cryptic in this matter?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey David2,

I found this site.....528 the key...

http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_528.asp
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

same site different page...

Alphabet and numbers.

1 and 22 first and last.

http://www.biblewheel.com/Topics/FirstOcc_AB.asp

pretty interesting...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lone traveller

you did well,
thanks for the Bible wheel , which i have never seen but does confirm number 7 representing God, and i gave a hint abouth part of the messiahs numbers on another post and sure enough the bible wheel confirms, Now all this is JUST A COINCIDENCE???
Or it's just what it is.
i was on a jewish chat room not too long ago bring up some very pointed concerns about Revelation and it had to do with the Constellation and the movement right now is unprecedented in all histoy that it coincides with this the 5766 calender year of the Jews who, many believe and through numerology have figured this is the year of the messiah. And one post by a member, came up with a correlation in part to the messiah's number that i have. And it wasn't but teo days later, that they booted me form their world, oh boy , as you would say.

When i went looking a couple of months ago i found some interesting sites that gave some similar cross overs in another way to the matches.

however for myself , i have seen and know the matches for 7 years now, since i first read the Bible.

But that Bible wheel esp, confirmation of 7 is cool.God is great isn't He works in mysterious ways.
peace,
i'm out for awhile, just popped in for lunch, doing some final touches on renovations,

over, see ya'll
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RevJP wrote:
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It's even in the New Testament, Jesus states that the end times will be upon the world before the current generation passes on.
That's assuming He was speaking of His physical generation. Many scholars believe he was speaking of things of the spirit, not the body.

RevJP wrote:

ekspiulo wrote:
Well that just strips all meaning from it
Only for those who are unable to understand the things of the Spirit.


You got me. I am just unable to understand the things of the Spirits, but you surely are able to. Could you please explain in worldly terms what it means for "the current generation" to be member of the set "things of the spirit"? When is the current generation of the spirit over, in Earth years please?

If you can't answer the second one, please take a stab at the first, but by all means please do answer both, if you are able.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good am,

It appears that one word may trip you up, try numbers. lol

Others have come forward to write, what 'generation' implied from the language it was originally in.
When i read the passage i could see the intent of what Jeus said, in the present, referred to those , there with him, who would not taste of death. The taste of death implied , the second death, which would imply going to the hell lands.
ok, having said that, 90 days after the crux, or Pentacoast, we saw, or read of a Holy Spirit revival, a sign from and angel, that confirmed the day and many were transformed on that moment. Of those, began to be the official apostles, of which many went to their death at the hands of evil kings for preaching Jesus's name and fame.
Question, in their sold out conviction and dedication to the Word, were they transformed in you eyes?_________________.
Therefore of 'that' generation, did not some take on a new dress? Or white raiment?
Now since 2000 years things have changed , life has gone on so spirits have come into being, correct.? Would you consider yourself spirit or are you of the carnal fleshly type.
God is of the Spirit, God is Spirit. Thats' Textbook Bible . Now for those who deny God or even that the spirit exits, or God's Spirit Is, ________ in my book i call them atheists, agnostics, doubters, scientists, worldly, and a host of other names, but in general terms,and not cent percent. b/c the answer you wantedwas in WORLDLY TERMS and therein you will always find room for speculattion and opinion.
It's not my opoinion that God Exists, i have witnesses others of like minds who experience God in their lives, and recognize He exists.
So since we cannot limit salvation to that one generation, b/c God deceided to say he lives etgernally , we would have to conclude in some DEEPLY PROFOUND way that God continued to be after that GENERATION, thank you.
And i believe for your arguement sake a generation lasts 15 years, so if you intend to be a purist of the ' generation' type, you will not be able to get to any 70AD period because that would suuggest 2 or 3 generations , would it not? from 33 AD or 29 AD whatever???? So therefore having said that what is the more reasonable application to the word?
of this generation , ie, implying physical, people before him, which is how i described it above.

All these little nuances will be settled, soon.

NOW others have debated soon, b/c it has been written as soon therewill be messiah come again, and so the word woon received attention. Do you want to think in terms of relativity? In 5 or 10 thousand year increments as being a long time?
Or
do you want to expand your mind,,, kinda like,,, looking out into the expansive universe, seeing into the endless creation a majestic, manifold system of stars and suns and moons and more planets, and scientists say "perhaps universes exist beyond the horizons". To which my point is, it is written God is eternal and He created all souls eternally and it that respect and eternity of time add infinitum, to time and tell me how long is 2000 years from now_??? ________________ soon , pretty soon , or a long time away considering the conclusive evidence that it doesn't appear the entire universe is going to go anywhere anytime ____SOON.

Not knocking you but just trying to get that smile on your face to anticipate soon, so as your can adjuxt to this generation. lol

And i say to you of this generation, many will not taste of the second death, for it is the generation of the fig tree. ___ oh boy, notwithstanding the latter days.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David2 wrote:
God is of the Spirit, God is Spirit. Thats' Textbook Bible . Now for those who deny God or even that the spirit exits, or God's Spirit Is, ________ in my book i call them atheists, agnostics, doubters, scientists, worldly, and a host of other names, but in general terms,and not cent percent. b/c the answer you wantedwas in WORLDLY TERMS . . .

So what I get from this is that the word spirit can be substituted for god, but unless you mean a "generation of the spirit" = "a generation of the god" then is still meaningless.

David2 wrote:
b/c God deceided to say he lives etgernally

Are you saying that the world will end after the generation of an eternally living god? That is just being facetious.

David2 wrote:
b/c the answer you wantedwas in WORLDLY TERMS . . .

I want an answer in worldly terms for several reasons: I exist in the World, the bible does too, and the world is supposed to end so it makes sense that the foreknowledge of the time be worldly too, that way it can be aprehended by someone to whom it matters.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UNFORTUATELY BUT TRUE, YOU MAY BE SINCERE ABOUT LEARNING BUT YOUR SKILLS OF ASSIMILATION ARE LACKING, BUD.

Look at what you understood first, and consider what i wrote. i did not say, nor imply that you can substitute the word "God for spirit."

you want things in plain english , i gave them to you , you are completely in the carnal , physical mind set. The Bible is written at times wrote in symbolisms and other times in figures of speech, therefore anything that anyone attempts to convert from God's Words, will never make sense to you .
I would like to help you but first we need to meet on equal ground.

WHICH IS THE PRIMARY REASON, THERE IS CONFLICTING UNDERSTANDING GOING ON BETWEEN GOD, THE BIBLE, AND LITERAL, CARNAL MEN WHO ARE TRYING TO INTERPRET THE BIBLE.

unless you get into being anointed with the Holy Spirit you can't possibly hear God , can you.?
It repeats that over and over, you need spritual eyes to understand that of the Spirit. _______ jesus says in rev 3:18 "eyesalve of love"

now this is not only meant for you but is a lesson and advice for most here, who can't hear b/c of carnal appetite, ie vision , worldly wise.

Your first response to my quote, and how you perceived what i said is absurd. sorry there smiley,
just trying to get you up.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologize. At first, I was just refusing to deal with certain parts of what you wrote for various reasons, but I see the simplest way to get my point across is to do so in the usual manner.
David2 wrote:
Question, in their sold out conviction and dedication to the Word, were they transformed in you eyes?_________________.
Therefore of 'that' generation, did not some take on a new dress? Or white raiment?

No and therefore no.

David2 wrote:
Now since 2000 years things have changed , life has gone on so spirits have come into being, correct.?

I see no reason nor evidence this is true. No, new spirits have not come into being; therefore, all your following premises are unfounded.

I am sorry to say, but your post isn't in plain english: its in bad english.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

then you are not understanding God's Word.
there was a transformation at pentacost, it was wherein many where hearts were changed, ie circumcised, made white ( white, ie clean , pure raimnet dress, new sprirt ie mind)
now you know what is __________WHITE RAIMENT____ Not a physical cloth thing that the literalist are thinking, it 's of the sprirt, made white.

So to counter your " no and no again" there it is.

2) you are correct my choice of words, was not so clear, but here's the good expression.
first off let me say that you cut short, part two of that line of reasoning by not including the next sentence asking you are you or the fleshly type? which implied do you belive you are that body or do you believe in continuing life? ie life again. _________ which goes is more explicit below.
There are no new souls, for all have been created, however, my point implied the spirt s ie souls and spirits keep coming, back and are agian.

just as Jesus and johnny b and others mentioned confirmed andconcluded that life was always an ongoing , eternal practice, either in seperation, or in harmony with the Father. Either way you are in the Father.
Have you understood??

Peace to you and eternal comfort in Him ____ if you choose His Way.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"This generation shall not pass..." I don't see how that could be misunderstood.

"This generation" can mean the generation Jesus was referring to as a future generation that would behold all the things he had been speaking of.

"This generation" can mean the generation of Jesus Christ, which is the church.

Example...Jesus called the Pharisees the "generation of vipers".

Example...Isaiah 53:8 "his generation" is the generation of Jesus Christ.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mojo wrote:
My understanding is this, David; 7 is Jesus Christ, 8 is God and 9 is the beast. The corresponding letter for 9 is "I" interpreted as vanity or ego.


I don't agree with your understanding of numbers. But, would you please elaborate? Why is Jesus (7)? God (8). The beast (9)?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:32 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

The number 8 is none other than the anti-christ.


May God bless, golfjack
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

golfjack wrote:
The number 8 is none other than the anti-christ.
joman wrote:
I don't agree with your understanding of numbers. But, would you please elaborate?

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