Are we living in the end Times?

golfjack · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:51 am Post subject: Are we living in the end Times?

I believe there are many foolproof scriptures in the New Testament that prove this with out having to go the Book of Revelation.

Here are few: Luke 21:25-28; Romans 8:23; 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Luke 17:28-30. and these are just a few.

Let's examine Luke 21:28. You'll notice Luke said "for your redemption draweth nigh" Some may ask, well, I thought we already were redeemed. We are as far as our spirits are concerned, but there is also is going to be the redemption of our body when Jesus comes again. If we turn to Romans 8:23, We see we have the firstfruits of the Spirit. You see, we have the Holy Spirit in the New Birth. This verse continues, "even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. This is talking about signs of the times, things that shall come to pass in the last days, when our redemption shall be consumated and our body shall be redeemed.

I believe that James 5:1-5 fits together with 2 Timothy 3:1-5. Keep in mind that Paul was not talking about the Church and what would happen in it; he was talking what would happen in the world in the last days. you can't help but see, this is happening in the world right now. I have never seen so many resturants or disrespect for parents. In the Middle East, the World is starting to come against Israel, and even some Church denominations are blessing them. No prayer in public school, an idealogy that wants to take God out of everything. I have never seen so much talk about making same sex marriage legal (without natural affection). And even Churches that tell us that speaking with tongues and that Healing business are of the devil. They have a form of godliness, denying the power thereof and the scripture plainly says, from such turn away.

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come, Paul said. We're living in that time.

May God bless, golfjack

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

Technically speaking, haven't we been in the 'end times' since Christ's life, death, and resurrection?

MoJo · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject:

t-shirtsnjeans · Big Goldfish Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 69

We are closer to the end of times than we were before Wink

I give my kids a hard time on trips, "Are we there yet?" "No, but we're closer than we were before!"

Oh I crack myself up at times Razz

golfjack · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: reply

This is how I interpret Daniel 9:27. The he referred to is the anti-christ. He will confirm a peace covenant with Israel for three and a half years. Then, he will break the covenant, and then all hell breaks loose. The anti-christ will also commit an abomination of desolation against the Living God (see Matt. 24:15). This prophesy is not to be confused of that of Antiochus.

I thess. 5:9, For God did not appoint us to Wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, This verse is for those Posttribbers.

May God bless, golfjack

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

good day ya'll . i like the topics here, and i'll check back in later.
Don't hold your breath, lol.
i was hanging out on a different range this am but i'v e flown over here to see who's picking up the crumbs and who are the eagles on the perch.
but i'll be back , birds of a feather flock together.! ___can i coin that?
i'll go out to get some interesting spices to bring back and throw in the pot.

hail to the chief

did i say that?

DAvid2

heisenburg · Ferret Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 109

A few points if I may...

While I agree that things are bad in this day, when compared to first century christians, we have it quite rosey. Back then, to say you were a christian is to say you are to be martyred. Romans where notoriously sexualy active, Greeks flaunted Homosexuality in a way we do not see today. A great deal of that was reigned in from around 300->1800ish. Where there problems during this time? Yes... but nothing like before and since. Once media came into being a real player in society, we see things starting to fall apart. Churches have started to go with popular concent as opposed to biblical and christian truism. The culture is dictating almost that 14 year old little girls be sexualy active... so, I will not argue, things are bad, but we are still leaps and bounds above 0->200 AD.

That being said...

I do think the foundations are being set for the final tribulation. (personal belief is christians and nonchristians alike must go through the seven years) However, I do not think this will occur for a long time. We may very well be a space faring race before the end times. Several things do still need to happen. one of the most important is the Great Apostate. While people may be less avid about faith as a whole, the christian church is still growing. So long as the number of christians continues to grow, then that key aspect has not come to pass.

That will be the real sign. When very large numbers of people flock AWAY from christ and the overall christian population worldwide decreases dramaticly...

However, i understand this is just my view and goes no farther,

Personally, ive always believed it more important to focus on our personal redemtion in christ as opposed to trying to figure out when the redemtion of the earth is to take place...

In Christ
J

golfjack · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:30 pm Post subject: reply

I appreciate your comments. Remember, the World in the old times was limited to the Roman empire. In the days of Noah, God wiped those people off the face of the earth, except Noah and his Family, and the animals. I have no idea when Jesus will come back for his Church, but after studying the Daniel and Ezekiel, and other prophets, I believe it could happen at any time now. Even the late pope agrees with this. Remember the letters that he received from a so called Vision by the Mary? There was some priest in the 11th century who had a vision and predicted the names of future popes, including Benedict. He predicted that the next pope would be named Peter 2, and would be a type of the anti-christ.

I enjoy your posts, but must disagree with your posttrib view.

May God bless, golfjack

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

heisenburg · Ferret Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 109

Hey Golf,
And While i disagree with your pretrib view I likewise enjoy your posts as well as I have learned much from your statements Mr. Green

The prophecies you speak of are suppose to be from St. Malachi (sp). If they are to be believed, then the next pope is suppose to be Peter the 2nd, but it is more a he is to be pope when the AntiChrist rises, not him being the Antichrist. Regardless these prophicies are cosidered extremly suspect as they did not show up until the 16th century. What makes them even more suspect is that they "predicted" every pope extremly accuratly from 11->16th century, but then EXTREMELY vague after the fact. if i remember coprrectly, the prediction for Benidict the 16th is something akin to hmm, the pope will be like a tree, there is a tree on the benidictian code of arms, Benidicatian monks-> BENIDICT YEY.. We've got predictions YEY!!! I cant remember the exact prophocy, but it was something hockey like that...

In regards to the Fatima Visions, I have also heard of more vague end times predictions coming from the oldest of the three children (the first two died very young and was even predicted before hand by the visions)
Even if you do not believe it was the Virgin Mary, Something did happen in portugal. Are you familiar with the miricals of the sun? Supposidly, while the children were recieving these visions from Jesus (Mary is simply the messanger ) one of the children asked god to give a sign to the thousands that had gathered. then the sun began to dance around the sky in all sorts of wierd ways and was witnessed by i think i heard somehwere in the neighborhood of like 40 thousand people. MANY MANY people turned to christ that day.

Even if it was the work of the devil as some think, it caused a massive amount of people to turn to christ. I personally think it did come from god, (whether it was an angel or mary i do not know). The reason I trust this is because of Jesus's own words...

When the pharasies where saying he was exorsizing demons in the name of the devil, he responded with a house divided cannot stand. The same logic applies to this, why would the devil do something to cause thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people to become loyal and faithful christians...

I am not trying to say believe or dont believe. Not my place as you are on a journey with christ uniquely yours as well, But i do trust those prophocies as they do seem to be ligetimatly from God...

Peace be with you Always Golf
J

golfjack · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: reply

Hi Heisenburg, Thanks for responding. Let me say one thing: I am not one of those Christians who blast Catholics and say they are not saved. I am absolutely opposed to it. I consider you a Brother in Christ on this forum. You know, there are many true denominations in the Body of Christ, and some just sit there in the pews and never really know Jesus Christ. This applies to Catholics, as well as others. Even, in my non-denominational home Church, which is Charismatic, spirit-filled. I know this to be a fact, as I preach the Word of God in other churches. Today, I have noticed that Catholics really like to study the Bible. A big Amen to that.

As far as the visions and prophesies goes, I absolutely believe the old prophets of the Old Testament. St. Malachi's vision is very interesting. I read a good book by Grant R. Jeffrey, who is an excelent teacher on the end-times. He doesn't agree or disagree with the Fatima visions. My view is I don't know, other than to say, why Didn't I see these visions of the sun? Personally, I think they were a figment of one's imagination.

Are we close to the end-times? You bet. All we have to do is look at the world's condition (much sin). We see the ten horns starting to frame up in the European Union. We see most of the nations in the UN coming against the Jews. There is talk about a one World Government and one World Religion. Some nations are approving same-sex marriages. The list goes on and on. I don't know how long God will tarry. Is the Little horn mentioned by the Prophets been born yet? I really don't know, but suspect he is.

One more point from my perspective: In matt. 24, Jesus is talking to his disciples and other Jews. He's talking about the Day of the Lord (second coming). He hasn't even died on the cross yet. This tells me there was no Church yet. By the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, what Paul said about the rapture doesn't contradict what Jesus said. We know that the Bible doesn't contradict itself. This is called rightly dividing the Word of God (Hebrews 12:4, I think).

Some on this forum believe that the second coming already happened in A.D.70. And they scoff at us. This is another sign of the end-times. I have really enjoyed talking with a fellow believer like you.

May God richly bless you, golfjack

James1-26 · Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:00 am Post subject:

It always seems as though it's been the end times. So just live as though it could be as best you can.

Zathrus · Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:34 am Post subject:

My question is: Revelation was not to be sealed, but Daniel was to be sealed because it was for many days (Daniel 10:14) , so "many days" are only 500 years, but if that is true, how can "at hand" be for 2000 years?

joman · Grizzly Bear Joined: 07 Jun 2004 Posts: 716

Acts 2:16-17
“…this is that which was spoken of by the prohet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God…”

So, the last days began on the day of Pentecost. The last days requires at least there be two days left of the six accounted unto the works of mankind.
The last days are the days preceeding the “notable day of the Lord come”(Acts 2:20)

The day of the Lord cannot be “notable” if there isn’t a recorded history of the event since, nothing can be said to be notable except that it be noticed for it’s exceptional quality. History records no “notable day of the Lord which is preceeded by the signs explicit to Joel’s prophecy.

I would like to share an understanding.

No man knows the day nor the hour because we are as ones traveling down the highway of life in this world not knowing where the exit is until we see the signs that we were told to expect on the way. It is for us to take heed to recognize the signs posted so that we are prepared for departure to the world to come. It is not a matter of how many miles till we exit nor how long we must travel at a certain speed but, only that the signs given unto us be understood when they are seen. We must always be prepared to exit quickly. And, the great tribulation is in our path.

Joman.