Godhead

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

Godhead is a word used very infrequently in the bible, but is a word that carries a lot of attention to the strategy and witness of God when making His proclamation as being God, Christ as being the only actual direct decendant of God and Holy Spirit who represents each.

Being joined together as one, the attributes of each span all known existence and exceed, evidently, our ability to comprehend the cohesive nature of the Father, Word and Holy Ghost, the water, blood and Spirit, referred to By John as being the witnesses in heaven and earth.

We see Christ as being the embodiment of the Word in John 1:14, Christ came by water and blood in 1 John 5:6, Christ is the Holy Ghost in the Comforter of John 14:18, the Spirit of truth in John 14:6 and John 16:13, so it is no stretch to say that as we see Christ in five witnesses, He is also the beginning of the creation of God, Rev. 3:14 in that, He is the first step of creation when God decided to become a creator, making Christ as much the person of God as God and is in fact God himself or ...

...," all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:9

ALL the fullness is ALL of God.

All is all is ALL! There is no duality, no trinity and no other God.

Thoughts?

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christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Ok be patient with me and go slow for me, Please.

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

If an artist ... were to read the bible from cover to cover, Genisis to Revelations, and make a drawing or painting or sculpture of the three most prominant characters of the bible, there would likely be one figure representing God, one figure representing Christ and another representing the Holy Ghost.

An accurate rendition would join the three figures at the base or perhaps as a three player team huddled. The huddle could represent the three participants before the play while making plans or after the play, celebrating a success.

The bible depicts God and Christ and the HG as being active from the beginning to the end. The only separation is the human mind actively attempting to distinguish between the three because we see in carnal understanding. We see God as one person, Christ as another and the HG as another because, a human can't be one person while simultaneously having three seperate representations on earth.

We can't do it so, we limit God to be incapable of it too.

" The things that are impossible for man are possible with God." Mt.19:26b

Three winds sound like they exist randomly as a reaction to natural phenominan.

God is not not natural. He is supernatural and existed, by procalamation, long before all that we know.

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golfjack · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject: reply

The 2 things I know for sure: the Father is god; Jesus Christ is God; and the Holy Spirit is God. Secondly, water Baptism can't save one anymore than the man in the moon can.

May God Bless, golfjack

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

I appreciate ... your position on," the Father is God; Jesus Christ is God; and the Holy Spirit is God," but where did water baptism come from?

Did I miss something?

Do you think the water witness will have any thing to say about baptism at judgement? the blood witness? the Spirit witness? the Word witness?

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golfjack · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject: reply

There are some that teach water Baptism saves one, and you know that U.P. teaches this. The water referred to in John 3:5 is the Word of God. Ephesians 5:26; i Peter 1:23 backs this up. You have said in one of your posts before that Water Baptism saves one. This is why I bring this up. Most Evangelical Christians believe the doctrine of Water Baptism as a symbolic of the Death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

May God bless, golfjack

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

Why do you believe ... that the Prophet of God John the Baptist ( John got his nickname from performing as many as several thousand water submursion baptisms, including the water baptism that Christ Himself REQUIRED (( not submitted to or asked John to do )) him to perform on Him ), the Apostles and Timothy and Titus and, and, and generations of Christian ministers performed and perform water baptisms?

" He that believes and is baptised shall be saved." Mark 16:16

Not,' he that believes shall be saved.' Not,' he that is baptised shall be saved.' Not,' he that is baptised and believes shall be saved.'

The result of belief ( faith ) leads directly to and precedes baptism.

It is not my personal belief, it is the word of God and I believe that Mark had a personal instructor who required him to introduce this mandate of Christ to disciples of Christ and disciples of God.

It's bible baby! Any argument contrary to this mandate will answer to God in Christ and will answer to all who follow them and were led astray from the law of Christ. It is likely that they will each spend eternity together so that each will be forever reminded of the error.

Why would any minister risk defying simple holy instructions written in clear and concise text?

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golfjack · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject: reply

Well baby, they baptized with the Word of God. Basic Bible 101.

May God bless, golfjack

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6908 Location: USA

So Thunder, you assert that our salvation comes from a physical act (water baptism)? Then what use of faith and grace? what use of the life death and resurrection of Christ if all we need is to be baptized?

My bible tells me that we are saved by Grace through faith, not by works...

You tell me we are saved by taking a bath... Whom should I believe?

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thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

Any one who ... argues contrary to the mandate of Mark, who is quoting Jesus, will answer to God in Christ and will answer to all who follow them and were led astray from the law of Christ. It is likely that they will each spend eternity together so that each will be forever reminded of the error.

Why would any minister risk defying simple holy instructions written in clear and concise text?

Again, it isn't me, it's John the Baptist, Mark, Luke, Paul and Jesus.

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golfjack · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: reply

Read Matt. 28: !9, (water Baptism). Read Romans 10:9-10, (this is how one is saved). Did the thief on the cross get water Baptized? No, He had great faith and Jesus Forgave him. Salvation is all about forgiveness and not works.

May God bless, golfjack

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6908 Location: USA

You did not answer my questions Thunder.
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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6908 Location: USA

What do the scriptures say about baptism and being saved?

Mat 28:19 Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Mar 16:16 He who believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] and is baptized will be saved [from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] will be condemned.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, unless a man is born of water and [even] the Spirit, he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God. [Ezek. 36:25-27.]

Act 1:5 For John baptized with water, but not many days from now you shall be baptized with (placed in, introduced into) the Holy Spirit.

Act 2:38 And Peter answered them, Repent (change your views and purpose to accept the will of God in your inner selves instead of rejecting it) and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of and release from your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 8:15 And they came down and prayed for them that the Samaritans might receive the Holy Spirit;
Act 8:16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them, but they had only been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

Act 18:25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and burning with spiritual zeal, he spoke and taught diligently and accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he was acquainted only with the baptism of John.

Act 22:16 And now, why do you delay? Rise and be baptized, and by calling upon His name, wash away your sins.

Eph 5:26 So that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word,

1Pe 3:21 And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I look at Acts 2:38 and see "...and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of and release from your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." is this telling us that baptism forgives sins? I don't believe so. Peter is telling them to Repent and then be baptized for the forgiveness you have already recieved. It is not an act of forgiveness, it is a representation of that forgivenss recieved through thier repentance.

Look at Acts 22:16 - "...Rise and be baptized, and by calling upon His name, wash away your sins" it is not the baptism which washes away the sins, it is the name of the Lord which they call upon.

Then we have 1 Peter... let's look at it in the Message: 1Pe 3:21 And baptism, of which this is an image, now gives you salvation, not by washing clean the flesh, but by making you free from the sense of sin before God, through the coming again of Jesus Christ from the dead;

Clearly baptism is not meant as a tool of salvation, but as a representation, a physical starting point, or 'light bulb moment' (as Oprah says), to clarify the fact of our forgivenss and salvation through faith, by the Grace of God.
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thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

Look, you two ... are missing the point.

I don't make policy, the bible is our guide post that houses the guiding light for all believers to live by.

Paul says, this, Luke says that, the Mark says what Luke says but says it differently than Paul and James says it.

The point is that Mark is not here for our drilling him. He quoted Jesus Christ who said to him," he that beleiveth and is baptised," not me.

The argument has been alive and well for a lot longer than our combined years of faith and it won't end with our arguments either, I propose.

I recommend that all believers be baptised by water submursion and be certain to implore the name of Jesus Christ over the act so that there is no way the serpent can accuse a believer to have missed a critical act during this earthly life and some how win a soul to a place other than where Christ has prepared the place for us to go.

Why miss any thing or give the serpent a hand hole to hoist up his argument for judgement by accusing a saint of being lost by virtue of a missing a base during his or her trip around the bags, so to speak.

How rediculous does a ball player feel for losing a home run because he failed to touch all the bags? Plumb stupid, especially because the rules are in the rule book and available for all to read, then obey.

To be honest, I take great pleasure in every thing that I think, do and say when treading on serpents! I love dancing on the head of the betrayor of My Lord and My God.

He gave every thing for me and the serpend beguiled my brother and sisyer, placing us square in the missle of a quarrel between the serpent and My Lord and My God.

I love baptism and all that it stands for! I love lowering my brothers and sisters into the blood of my Christ to begin a new and pure reborn life.

I did not write the text of Mark, but I believe that he was a holy man who wrote what Jesus had spoken to him, and I am priveledged to follow them.

I am just glad that Jesus allows me to be be lowered into His death, burial and lifted in His resurrection, to partake in the only holy thing that I am aware exists.

Why would any one want to dismiss baptism as being something vacant of importance. I never read where John the Baptist complained about his calling and the only reason that he complained about baptising Jesus is because he wanted to be baptised by Christ.

Why would any minister risk defying simple holy instructions written in clear and concise text?

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Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Most of us before entering membership in a church had to be baptised. I was baptised in a Methodist church. Jesus was baptised. I believe the Bible states you must be baptised and believe. The word believe is the catchy phrase, what is the true belief that Jesus Christ taught and why has it been taken completely out of context today.
There are many things you must do in order to be saved, you must believe in Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection. You must be born of the water and the blood, or born again.
In Matthew 19 Jesus tells us we must follow the commandments.

There is an interesting passage in Matthew chapter 20 starting at verse 20.

The mother of Zebedee's sons came up to him accompanied by her sons, to do him homage and ask him a favor. What is it you want?He said. She answered, Promise me that these sons of mine will sit, one at your right hand and the other at your left, in your kingdom. In reply Jesus said, 'You do not know what you are asking. Can you drink of the cup ;I am to drink of?' We can, they said. He told them, 'From the cup I drink of, you shall drink. Bkut sitting at my right hand or my left is not mine to give. That is for those to whom it has been reserved by my Father.'

The other ten, on hearing this became indignant at the two brothers. Jesus then called them together and said: 'You know how those who exercise authority among the Gentiles lord it over them; their great ones make their importance felt. It cannot be like that with you. anyone among you who aspires togreatness must serve the rest, and whoever wants to rank first among you must serve the needs of all. such is the case with the Son of Man who has come, not be be served by others, but to serve, to give his own life as a ransom for the many.'