End-Time revival

golfjack · Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: End-Time revival

Be patient, then brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains.James 5:7

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

hey golf jack, howya be?

i have been reviving this forum of prophecy seekers and your voice pops up freqently enough.
did i read on another thread that you believe jesus comes back in clouds?

just trying to get a handle on what your heart felt idea is about the entrance? the shout! the sounding of the trumpet.

David2

golfjack · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject: reply

Hi Daviid, The answer to your question is found in 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV.

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

So what reference in Rev do you have to confirm Thess 4 :16?

David2

golfjack · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:48 pm Post subject: reply

Hi David, I don't need a verse in Rev. to prove 1 Thess. 4:16. This verse speaks for itself. After the first 3 chapters of Rev. the church is gone. Rev. 4:1. The snatching away and the second coming are 2 separate events. I read the book of REv. quite literally, and it does use many symbols.

May God bless, golfjack

Nobby · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject: Revelation 1 NIV

David I don't know what your looking for, but this is the way Rev begins.

Revelation 1 NIV
Prologue
1)The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2)who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3)Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Greetings and doxology
4)John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5)and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6)and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father - to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
7)Look, he is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.

8 )"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

One like a Son of Man
9)I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10)On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11)which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."
12)I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13)and among the lampstands was someone "like a son of man,"[b]dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14)His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15)His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16)In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

17)When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 )I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

19)"Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20)The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels[c] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

David maybe you can get something from this. Very Happy

golfjack · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject: reply

Hi Nobby, very good post. Do you see the seven stars as Pastors? I like to think that because I know a Pastor will receive a special crown.

May God bless, golfjack

Nobby · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject:

Hello golfjack,

golfjack · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: reply

Hi Nobby, I am probably wrong about the seven stars, but I do know when John wrote these letters, he was using symbols sometimes to make sure that the churches received the letters, otherwise, the Roman leaders would destroy them. By no means am I making this Doctrine. Just food for thought.

May God bless, golfjack

Nobby · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject:

Hello Jack,
This is a commentary from KJV.

A book sealed with seven seals, which could be opened by none but Christ, who took the book to open it.

The churches receive their light from Christ and the gospel, and hold it forth to others. They are golden candlesticks; they should be precious and pure; not only the ministers, but the members of the churches; their light should so shine before men, as to engage others to give glory to God. And the apostle saw as though of the Lord Jesus Christ appeared in the midst of the golden candlesticks. He is with his churches always, to the end of the world, filling them with light, and life, and love.

He was clothed with a robe down to the feet, perhaps representing his righteousness and priesthood, as Mediator. This vest was girt with a golden girdle, which may denote how precious are his love and affection for his people. His head and hairs white like wool and as snow, may signify his majesty, purity, and eternity. His eyes as a flame of fire, may represent his knowledge of the secrets of all hearts, and of the most distant events. His feet like fine brass burning in a

furnace, may denote the firmness of his appointments, and the excellence of his proceedings. His voice as the sound of many waters, may represent the power of his word, to remove or to destroy. The seven stars were emblems of the ministers of the seven churches to which the apostle was ordered to write, and whom Christ upheld and directed. The sword represented his justice, and his word, piercing to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, Heb 4:12.

His countenance was like the sun, when it shines clearly and powerfully; its strength too bright and dazzling for mortal eyes to behold. The apostle was overpowered with the greatness of the lustre and glory in which Christ appeared. We may well be contented to walk by faith, while here upon earth. The Lord Jesus spake words of comfort; Fear not. Words of instruction; telling who thus appeared. And his Divine nature; the First and the Last. His former sufferings; I was dead: the very same whom his
disciples saw upon the cross.
His resurrection and life; I have conquered death, and am partaker of endless life. His office and authority; sovereign dominion in and over the invisible world, as the Judge of all, from whose sentence there is no appeal. Let us listen to the voice of Christ, and receive the tokens of his love, for what can he withhold from those for whose sins he has died? May we then obey his word, and give up ourselves wholly to him who directs all things aright.

Whoever wrote this commentary agrees with you, & I didn't know for sure, but I would say you're right! Very Happy

God Bless You bro.,

golfjack · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:15 am Post subject: reply

Hi Nobby, Thanks, that was beautiful. As we grow in Christ, I believe we love Him more and more, and realize what a Great salvation we have, and desire to please with our praise and obedience.

Have a great day in the Lord my Brother, golfjack

Nobby · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:12 am Post subject:

Amen bro.

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

What do you presume the book with the seven seals reps? who will have this book and where will it be shown?

David2

golfjack · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:09 am Post subject: reply

Revelation 5:3-5 gives us the answer: Who is worthy? It is the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David. These 2 Old Testament names of God remind us of the first and second coming Jesus. Judah, one of the 12 sons of Israel (also called Jacob), was also the first leader of one of the 12 tribes of Israel. God promised the Messiah would come from that tribe whose symbol was a lion, Jesus, a descendant of the tribe of Judah, is the Messiah, the lion of the tribe of Judah. At the end of the Truibulation Period Jesus will return with the strength of a lion. Jesus is also the Root of David. God promised David that one of his descendants would be the Messiah. Jesus is a fulfillment of that prophesy. His earthly mother was Mary, a descendant of David. Jesus came as a Lamb the first time.

May God bless, golfjack

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

dear jack ,
let's fill in the blanks here.

The promise from the tribe of juda was King David, and the symbol speaks of him, not Jesus, as you said the first yes as Lamb , the sacrificial lamb actually but the second is in the character of the lion. ie that lion of juda being David, Rev 3:7 he that hath the key of David.
Then jesus says he is the root REv 22:16 . That said is not loins as in the next part of the verse ie offspring. Jesus came from the loins, which idicates flesh or outside body, which again would imply resemblance, in not only body but walk hence the body's walk. Acts 2 :30 would confirm this, now 31 coming from psalms and promise to David , now hee is the ALL IMPORTANT CONFIRMATION AS TO WHO THIS 'CHRIST' IS.

The word 'christ' translated is anointed one, now put those two words here in verse 30 and again in 31, taking into considersation part two of verse 31 is quoted from psalms. NOW 31 'He' seeing is David, seeing because part two of this verse again is taken from psalms and in order for continuity to be sequential here you have supplant David as that 'HE' seeing. Now 32 " this Jesus, replace that with 'christ', for seqeuntial continuity, this said " christ" ie " THIS CHRIST or 'anointed one' hath God raised up. NOW 33 " therefore being at the right hand of God, Ok who was put at God's right hand Ps 110 David, as confirmed in 34,35 that verse and 33 completes the logic ... he hath shed forth this which you see and hear.___ word for shed is thrown or cast, which is to say 'that soul' as in 31 which was not left in hell ___ soul__ that eternal identyfying self.
NOW for the finale and continuing sequential pattern of thought and expression, Peter says in 36 " therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made this same jesus ____ again here , christ ie anointed one' which is this David,_____ cruicified both LOrd and Christ, which here refers to Jesus.
How can you tell ? because the jews argued vehemently tht Jesus was not the David that they were looking for b/c David was expected to be there kIng, but God played a trick on the Jews having him being born of a Jes women and kept in the quiet with John the Baptist as well a sent son coming praying and call to order the kingdom amongs the 'heatherns'. It was said desert , or wilderness , but anything outside Jerusalem was that desert, and John the Baptist the 2cd cousin of jesus was part of prophecy and set up to be a fromidable jew even a levitical jew, but cast out. Hence when all this was understood by John and with Jesus they knew that prophecy was filled between them, haveing the scriptures, to prove the details, etc. So then it just became a matter of time that John would make the announcement, and then it was " he it is he who walketh before us who is the messiah" .
So therefore , i say to you that many things must first be understood, in order to confirm the very king to come.
NOW , jesus confirms he is the root, as written in the OT the roots are tossed up and overturned , confirming that the soul is the very root of the plant. As you all know when fall comes the floweror offspring dies off but in spring a new sofsptring emanates from the same root. Though the root may go domant it still remains for a time. Therefore the root is the life force anddoes not change, just the dress changes, but in very much the same likeness of the former dress. SAme root different dress, therefore same soul different body.
Therefore Jesus in all all his prophecies, refers to those of king David to return which confirms what the jews expect to see and want. But like then , a surprise is in the horizon, for the son comes as athief in the night , not seen but is present , in observance , patiently waithing at the right hand of God to make his entrance and be confirmed as it is prophesied" and there stood amonst them the lion of juda, the lamb , confirming that he was both before and come again same soul differnent body but with the confrimation of scriptures as to who he is. NOW yes , i comes with a shout declaring who he is but there shall be need of proving and testing who he is by the angels, and others about him. As we read there are many who want to know him and the world stage is set and the conditions appropriate for the world , through technology to be transmitted for the entire worls to see.

Anyways let me stop here
take me off this hook, oh lord,
David2