An Address From Hell(The First Shall Be Last)

golfjack · Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:21 am Post subject: reply

Yes, all will have to through judgement. There are many judgements mentioned in the Bible, but there are 2 Judgements that we should be concerned about. The judgement seat of Christ is for believers, and the Great White Thrown judgement is for unbelievers.

May God bless, golfjack

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golfjack · Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject: reply

It would be a complete collapse of America if She became socialistic.

May God bless, golfjack

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Star · Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:35 pm Post subject:

Here the Lords rebuke was in accordance to their so called richness and increase of goods they believed they were in NEED OF NOTHING

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest,"""" I am rich, and increased with goods"""" and have """"need of nothing"""" and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Here it shows those who would to GIVE """"ALL THOSE GOODS AWAY"""" Paul shows THIS AS """PROFITTING NOTHING"""Was giving all their goods away the answer here???

1Corinth 13:3 And though I """"bestow all my goods to feed the poor""", and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it PROFITETH ME NOTHING.

THIS is to those (who GAVE """"ALL""" THEIR GOODS to feed the poor) and it PROFITTED """""NOTHING""""" showing they believed that they were RICH BY their GIVING ALL THE GOODS AWAY and BOTH the Lord and Paul point out this same truth = HERE BOTH ARE NOTHING.

Prov 13:7 There is that """"maketh himself rich""" YET HATH NOTHING: [there is] that """"maketh himself poor, yet [hath] great riches"""(Faith see below)

All pertaining to His own righteousness (Rich man) which is counted as loss and DUNG

Phil 3:8 I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom """"I have suffered the loss of all things""" and do count them [but] DUNG, that I may win Christ. (Zep 1:17) their flesh as the DUNG.

Luke 16:20 And there was a """CERTAIN BEGGAR named Lazarus""" which was laid at HIS GATE, full of sores,

1Sam 2:8 He """"raiseth up the poor out of the dust"""", [and] """LIFTETH UP THE BEGGAR from the DUNGHILL"""" to set [them] among princes, and to """""make them inherit the throne of glory"""" for the pillars of the earth [are] the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's (Father of faith) bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried

James 2:5 Hath not God """chosen the poor of this world RICH IN FAITH""" and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Prov 23:4 Labour not to be rich: """"cease from thine own wisdom"""

James 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not RICH MEN oppress you, and draw you before the JUDGMENT SEATS? (Ye are WISE, Ye are KINGS, selfrighteousness)

James 5:1 Go to now, [ye] rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon [you].

They will realize they are miserable because it "comes upon them"

James 1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall """the rich man fade away in his ways"""

1Peter 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that ""fadeth not away""(as the law= Moses) reserved in heaven for you,

1Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a """crown of glory that fadeth not away"""

1Corinth 9:26 Now they [do it] to """obtain a corruptible crown""" but we an incorruptible.

These are all spiritual truths, you can run with these between the glory of man under the OC and the Glory that exceeds in Christ of the New covenant.

Gal 6:8 For he that """soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption""" but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption(corruptible crown after the flesh= praise of men) but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting (Incorruptible crown after the Spirit= praise of God)

Phil 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God ""in the spirit"" and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and """have no confidence in the flesh"""

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

2Corinth 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as """poor, yet making many rich""" as having nothing, and [yet] """possessing all things"""

Yet there were those putting confidence in the flesh who thought they were rich but they were poor.

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him, """"how dwelleth the love of God in him"""

Yet at the same time...

1Corinth 13:3 And though I """"bestow all my goods to feed the poor""", and though I give my body to be burned, and HAVE NOT CHARITY, it PROFITETH ME NOTHING.

By this example, even doing in "giving all your goods to the poor" does not say in itself testify on ones behalf that the love of God is in you. This is where doing so and the "bowels of compassion" born of love is the underlying cause for extending ones soul to the needy. So again an outer doing not in accordance with an inner work (by the Spirit) born of the love of God.

Nowadays you lay any form of money by any preachers feet it goes into their own pocket like Judas pretending he cares about the poor but always tipping his own hand into it. Think the Lord doesn't know that lol He shows it plainly. So if one wants to watch the "peddling of the word of God for profit" it surely shows the MANY that do such a thing. The corruptness was always shown standing at the pulpit. The rebuke was always for the religious leaders. Christ rocks!

golfjack · Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject: reply

Star, I also think preachers who do their work just for money are wrong, however if a preacher wants to preach in the USA, and overseas, wouldn't you think that money is necesary for travel, food, lodging, and quite necessary to spread the message of the Gospel?

May God bless, golfjack

Star · Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:33 pm Post subject:

There are those indeed who emcompass land over sea and do more harm then good, even Jesus spoke this.

Each one is accountable to God, Judas is simply a fact. So also are those of whom Paul spoke of, the many he said peddle the word of God for profit. I did not write this, the Lord and Paul show this truth.

You needn't justify yourself or others to me, nor need my opinion on this. It is what it is. God knows mens motives, He's not stupid, are they not written?

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Star · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:10 am Post subject:

ABSOLUTELY JP Thats why I will not judge another after what Paul or what the Lord had said. Whats written is written, no one needs justifies themselves to anyone (before men). To the Lord (the righteous judge) they give account of themselves. THAT was my point.

Did you see another?

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6817 Location: USA

No. Did I indicate that I saw another? If so, I offer my apologies. I merely pointed out that often times we make those judgements and offer scripture to support our judgements, when in truth we should refrain from entering into that mode at all.

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