An Address From Hell(The First Shall Be Last)

Rosered · Alley Cat Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 179

wow awesome stuff , sis , and Zath ,
thought of the reward of the cup of cold water Jesus promised !

Mat 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these ''little ones'' a cup of cold [water] only in the name of a ''disciple following Christ Jesus]

verily I say unto you, he shall in'' no wise'' lose his reward.
who is the liitle one those under Law !

Gal 3:24 Wherefore'' the law''' was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1Jo 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one.

I write unto you,'' little children'', because ye have known the Father.

love in Him to all , rose

golfjack · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:00 pm Post subject: esthalogy

LIBERAL CHURCH, JUST LIKE SOME ARE TODAY. JESUS HAD NO GOOD THING TO SAY ABOUT THIS CHURCH. hE SAID THAT HE WOULD SPEW OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

May God bless, golfjack

Zathrus · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject:

jack, where does Jesus identify the Laodiceans as being liberal Christianity?

Star · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject:

I was just going to ask the same question Zath Laughing

I mean if one is desrious to spew their accusations they can at least "quote the person their adressing"

Not only that use words from scripture not manmade labels which men give, God does not define the same as men.

Accusation is ....Liberal? Which means Abundantly? Grace? or "something other"?

Is there a VERSE of scripture against being "liberal"? If so, how does this verse show anything within the context of this present conversation?

Star · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject:

Verses on being liberal, all positive verses concerning being liberal Very Happy

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that """giveth to all [men] liberally""" and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

2Cor 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for [your] """"liberal distribution""" unto them, and unto all [men];

2Corin 8:2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

Isaiah 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

Liberal means...
1) inclined, willing, noble, generous

a) incited, inclined, willing

b) noble, princely (in rank)

c) noble (in mind and character)

1) to incite, impel, make willing

a) (Qal) to incite, impel

b) (Hithpael)

1) to volunteer

2) to offer free-will offerings

I believe we need to learn either the "right words" to accuse others with if we are to be accusers, or learn the words as scripture speaks of them, think?

golfjack · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject: esthalogy

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. What I see today in American, and churches in europe is an attitude of who cares. Some churches approve homosexuality, even gay ministers, favor Abortion, cry for peace to the extent that they look like Morans, some might favor communism, Some don't care about the display of the ten commandments, and don't even preach a bloody cross. If that isn't liberal, then I don't know what is.

May God bless, golfjack

golfjack · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject: reply

Ok, Rose, Zathrus, and Star. You are completely inacurrate the way you interpret scripture. To me, it's all nonsense. Or were trying to bait me?

May God bless, golfjack

Star · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: esthalogy

Star · Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: reply

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FFT · Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:43 am Post subject: Re: esthalogy

Rosered · Alley Cat Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 179

Yikes ! and when the beast [carnal mind ]rules over the spirit of God we have conflict ... warring of minds armegeddon ,,,

1Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him????? But we have the'' mind of Christ.''

Rom 15:6 That ye may with(((( one mind)))) [and]((( one mouth))) glorify God, even the (((Father of our Lord Jesus Christ))).

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] (((enmity same as enemy deep seated hatred )) against God: for it is not '''subject to the law of God,'' neither indeed can be.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the (((law is spiritual)):

but I am carnal,'' sold under sin.''

Rev 13:15 And he'' had power to give life'' unto the image of the beast,

that the image of the beast should(( both))) speak,

and'' cause that as many''' as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

1Cr 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as ''unto spiritual''', but as unto carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.

1Cr 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

1Cr 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

1Cr 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

Hbr 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the((( power of an endless life)).

Hbr 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and ''carnal ordinances''', imposed [on them] ((((until the time))) of ''''''''''reformation''''''''''''''.

Easton's Bible Dictionary defination of carnal Carnalis animalistic natures

Unconverted men are so called ( 1Cr 3:3). They are represented as of a "carnal mind, which is enmity against God"

( Rom 8:6,7). Enjoyments that minister to the wants and desires of man's animal nature are so called ( Rom 15:27; 1Cr 9:11).

The ceremonial of the Mosaic law is spoken of as "carnal," because it related to things outward, the bodies of men and of animals, and the purification of the flesh

( Hbr 7:16; 9:10). The weapons of Christian warfare are "not carnal", that is, they are not of '''man's device''', nor are wielded by human power ( 2Cr 10:4).

1 Strong's Number: 4559 Greek: sarkikos

from sarx, "flesh," signifies (a) "having the nature of flesh," i.e., sensual, controlled by animal appetites, governed by human nature, instead of by the Spirit of God,

1Cr 3:3 (for ver. 1, see below; same mss. have it in ver. 4); having its seat in the animal nature, or excited by it, 1Pe 2:11, "fleshly," or as the equivalent of "human," with the added idea of weakness, figuratively of the weapons of spiritual warfare, "of the flesh" (AV, "carnal"), 2Cr 10:4; or with the idea of unspirituality, of human wisdom, "fleshly," 2Cr 1:12;

(b) "pertaining to the flesh" (i.e., the body), Rom 15:27; 1Cr 9:11.

Strong's Number: 4560 Greek: sarkinos

(a) "consisting of flesh," 2Cr 3:3, "tables that are hearts of flesh" (AV, "fleshy tables of the heart"); (b) "pertaining to the natural, transient life of the body," Hbr 7:16, "a carnal commandment;" (c) given up to the flesh, i.e., with almost the same significance as sarkikos, above, Rom 7:14, "I am carnal sold under sin;"

1Cr 3:1 (some texts have sarkikos, in both these places, and in those in (a) and (b), but textual evidence is against it).

It is difficult to discriminate between sarkikos and sarkinos in some passages. In regard to 1Pe 2:11, Trench (Syn. lxxi, lxxii) says that sarkikos describes the lusts which have their source in man's corrupt and fallen nature,

and the man is sarkikos who allows to the flesh ''a place''' which does not belong to it of right; in 1Cr 3:1

sarkinos is an accusation far less grave than sarkikos would have been.

The Corinthians saints were making no progress,

but they were not anti-spiritual in respect of the particular point with which the Apostle was there dealing. In 1Cr 3:3,4, they are charged with being sarkikos. See FLESHLY, FLESHY.

seems Jesus told us NOW IS

Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and'' now is'', when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father'' seeketh such'' to worship him.

Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him'''' must''' worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto''' unfeigned love of the brethren'', [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1Jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the'''' Spirit is truth'''.

just a few things to concider and we know no flesh pleases God except the Body prepared By God to undergo death ONCE FOR ALL The LORD JESUS CHRIST , Gods sacrafice the PERFECT has come ,,, and went up to the Father and shall come again

Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the ((((body of Jesus Christ )))once [for all].

and Jesus said of our judges ????????????

Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here.

Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation,

and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.
and is this the generation of vipers [judges]? that all things shall come upon '''''THIS '' generation ??"::::: Confused or disgusted

????

Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, ((((All these things)))) shall come upon (((((((((((this generation)))))))))).

Luk 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
fathered, birth, nativity

2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family

a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy

b) metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character

1) esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation

3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time

4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years

their father the devil ? advasary to Jesus Christ and the Grace of God , hum ,,

love in Him to all , rose

Zathrus · Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:19 am Post subject: Re: eschalogy

Rosered · Alley Cat Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 179

Golly Zath , good word bro ! the thing is His rewards are with HIM !

SEEING THAT IN THE SEVEN ARE((( ALL ))THE CHASTENINGS AND ''REWARDS '' TO THOSE WHOM OVERCOME , WHAT???

THOSE SEVEN ..symbology of

seems the Lord GODS temple is the description on ezek 40- 48 chapt ..

Eze 40:22 And their windows, and their arches, and their palm trees, [were] after the measure of the gate that looketh toward the east; and they went up unto it by seven steps; and the arches thereof [were] before them.

Eze 40:26 And [there were] seven steps to go up to it, and the arches thereof [were] before them: and it had palm trees, one on this side, and another on that side, upon the posts thereof.

steps to what comes up, thoughts

step, stair

step, stair

steps (of sundial)

stories (of heaven)

ascent , incline

song of ascent

to the three great pilgrim feasts (Psalm titles)

GOD BLESS , LOVE IN HIM ,rose