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joman
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Mojo,
My understanding about brass is that it is used to express judgement, tinged with mercy (golden aura).
| Quote: | Exodus 27:1-2 (altar of burnt offering) (sorry about the censer below. nobby)
And thou shalt make an altar of sh.ittim wood, five cubits long and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof shall be three cubits.
And you shall make the horns of it upon the four corners thereof: his horns shall be of the same: and thou shalt overlay it with brass. |
Brass: used to completely overlay the altar of burnt offering because on it is placed all that is judged of the Lord unto destruction. That is the flesh. For, no flesh shall glory in God's sight. After that judgement we may enter into the rooms of holiness overlayed throughout with gold (God's glory and presence). Entering boldly of course as people of faith who trust what God says they are allowed to do. So, we see the brass speaking always of judgement but, in it a hint of the gold (God's glory, mercy and grace)
| Quote: | Exodus 27:3
all the vessels thereof thou shalt make of brass. |
Everything in the court preceding our entrance into the presence of God deals unequivically with judgement. Nothing else is allowed. That is; judgement upon all things.
| Quote: | Exodus 27:19
All the vessels of the tabernacle in all the service thereof, and all the pins of the court, shall be of brass. |
As above stated.
| Quote: | Leviticus 11:18-20
And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits. |
Here the earth is brass, due to the sins of the people and the brass causes Note: vain labor equating to fruitlessness.
| Quote: | Numbers 21:9
And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived. |
Here, we see the works of the devil is judged and thus his image is overlayed with brass.
The hint of grace is there because it is actually a symbol of Jesus on the pole who for that moment of time becames as one who was sinful (yet of course he was not). We look to him who bore our judgement (who did the deeds of their father the devil till born again).
| Quote: | Deuteronomy 28:23-24 (because of your wickedness)
And the heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
The Lord shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee,until thou be destroyed. |
Here the heaven is what is become as brass. And, the judgement is revealed as rain consisting of powder and dust.
| Quote: | Judges 16:21
But the Philistines took him, and put out his eyes, and brought him down to Gaza, and bound him with fetters of brass; and he did grind in the prison house. |
Here, Samson is judged and appropriately bound by fetters of brass, because in his judgement is mercy. This proven by the fact that he yet serves the Lord later on.
| Quote: | I Samuel 17:5 (Goliath)
And he had a helmet of brass upon his head |
Judgement was upon Goliath which judgement was executed by David.
Goliath was under judgement as an uncircumcised heathen who was attacking God's people. The grace is available to him but, he refuses it and seeks to kill the man of God.
| Quote: | I Samuel 17:38 (Saul's armour)
helmet of brass |
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Which David refused to wear since he walked by faith standing in the grace of God.
Whereas, judgement was upon Saul by decree of God via Samuel.
| Quote: | II Kings 25:7 (Judgement unto Babylon: Zedekiah the king)
..and bound him with fetters of brass. |
Zedekiah had refused to obey the Lord and thus is judged and sent to Babylon. So, his fetters are brass.
| Quote: | II Chronicles 24:12
(iron and brass to mend the house of the Lord) |
Judgement shall begin with the house of the Lord.
| Quote: | | Daniel 4:15 leave the stump of his roots in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass. |
Judgement upon the body, heart and mind of Nebuchadnezzar.
The use of iron is similar except the implication is that iron is a final judgement lacking mercy. Whereas brass although judgement has in it of grace. (gold appearance/fire)
| Quote: | Revelation 1:15
brass, as if they burned in a furnace |
Brass: a touch of fire in it yet a touch of the glory of gold.
Hope this helps explain my understanding. In a sense the AV can be thought of as very appropriate for the apllication to it of Occam's Razor in that when a word is searched out in completeness and in the context of the whole Bible the thing that can explain the word's symbolism throughout the whole book is the thing it stand s for. Sometimes the symbol is clearly defined. Once defined in the AV you will discover there exists in the AV no contradiction to that definition. For example, Sea, which symbolizes the multitudes of all the world (and in some places all the worlds heaven and earth's) with out reference to national boundaries.
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christina
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Joman wrote
| Quote: | Judgement upon the body, heart and mind of Nebuchadnezzar.
The use of iron is similar except the implication is that iron is a final judgement lacking mercy. Whereas brass although judgement has in it of grace. (gold appearance/fire) |
Nebuchadnezzar the king of babylon, Gods servent and instrument,
who do you think he is or represents?
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joman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Christina,
Nebuchadnezzar typifies the antichrist.
This doesn't mean he didn't become as you have well said. If you wish to talk upon this aspect let me know. The whole book of Daniel is a parable of the end times. This is not well known.
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FFT
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Woah. Why was a prophet of THE LORD serving the antichrist?
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christina
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| joman wrote: | Christina,
Nebuchadnezzar typifies the antichrist.
This doesn't mean he didn't become as you have well said. If you wish to talk upon this aspect let me know. The whole book of Daniel is a parable of the end times. This is not well known.
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ok cool were on the same page so far.
What do you think babylon could be compared to today?
If the end has not come yet then what is this great city called Babylon?
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christina
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| FFT wrote: | | Woah. Why was a prophet of THE LORD serving the antichrist? |
Jeremiah 27:6
Now I have given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, My servant and instrument, and the beasts of the field also I have given him to serve him.
Ezekiel 17:3
Say, Thus says the Lord God: A great eagle [Nebuchadnezzar] with great wings and long pinions, rich in feathers of various colors, came to Lebanon [symbolic of Jerusalem] and took the top of the cedar [tree].
Jeremiah 43:10
And say to them, Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will send and take Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, My servant [because he works for Me], and I [through him] will set his throne upon these stones that I have hidden; and his [glittering, royal] canopy will be stretched over them.
Ezekiel 26:7
For thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will bring from the north upon Tyre Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, with horses and chariots and with horsemen and a host of many people.
Ezra 5:12
But after our fathers had provoked the God of heaven to wrath, He gave them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, the Chaldean, who destroyed this house and carried the people away into Babylon.
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MoJo
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Great post, Christina. Notice how nebuchadnezzor repents and declares God in the end. His is established in his kingdom and excellent majesty is added to him just like Job. Tells you who the head of gold is. 
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christina
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | | Great post, Christina. Notice how nebuchadnezzor repents and declares God in the end. His is established in his kingdom and excellent majesty is added to him just like Job. Tells you who the head of gold is. |
Right Mojo,
Daniel 4:34
And at the end of the days [seven years], I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted up my eyes to heaven, and my understanding and the right use of my mind returned to me; and I blessed the Most High [God] and I praised and honored and glorified Him Who lives forever, Whose dominion is an everlasting dominion; and His kingdom endures from generation to generation.
Mojo i ask the same question,
What do you think babylon could be compared to today?
If the end has not come yet then what is this great city called Babylon?
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joman
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| Christina wrote: | | What do you think babylon could be compared to today? |
Babylon is to be the final one world kingdom upon the earth.
| Christina wrote: | | If the end has not come yet then what is this great city called Babylon? |
Babylon the city is the metropolis where the final one world economic system will centralize.
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theseldomscene
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all the kingdoms symbolized are going to be in the final kingdom.
one image. with a little of the best of each kingdom in it. |
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david2
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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good am
Why is this site so slow? It almost always take 30 second even a minute at times to do anything? Is anyone else having this same problem?
Could it be Babylon rising , that's causing the great interference? lol
i like that last post.
i just thought i might revive some old new current stuff.
This Babylon, can it be more specific, any ideas?
i've seen some resemblamce amongst the world.
like Alaska , or hawaii, ho hum.
Any cause for concern?
David2
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MoJo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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David2, I don't know why you're having trouble with it taking so long to load. I'm not having any trouble. Once in awhile there is a problem, but it shouldn't be often. ???????
Babylon the Great. Her name is "I" or vanity and she sits on many waters which are kingdoms, nations and tongues and individual people. Also the name "Ai" represents her. Notice Og is the king, a name very similar to Gog. She was born in Eve who said "I" want to be like God" After the flood, she was reduced to (((eight))) people.
Noah was the first, drunken on his own wine and naked. (the *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession* made naked) Ham saw him naked, but would not clothe him. Jerusalem was born of Ham. The two other sons clothe him.
In the NT, noah is described not as the first, but as the last, the eighth. So the first has been made last and everything has been overturned. Moving in reversal perhaps.
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Nobby
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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David2, what kind of hookup do you have to your phone company.
Do have a dialup or DSL? DSL is much faster.
Most of us have this problem when the system backs up all it's boards. that makes them drag & sometimes quit!  Sorry
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golfjack
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Wasn't Nemrod the First King of Babylon, actually founded Babylon. I think he was a grandson of Noah?
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MoJo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Nimrod did found literal Babylon, but we're looking for MYSTERY BABYLON. You can only get to the answer of who she is by the similitudes. Another similitude is Nebuchadnezzer who was strutting around his palace saying look how great "I" am and immediately he was made a beast for 7 times. Vanity.
Leviathon, the dragon, is the king of the children of pride. (Job)
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