mortals and immortals

metothezero · Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:30 am Post subject:

No no, I think he has summed up our belief Rev, I always knew the Trinity was a hard doctrine, but now I think he has shown us new light. We believe in a three headed god...that makes much more sense. NOT! Sir, quit falsifying our belief.

If you do not wish to discuss with reasonable people, by all means go ahead, I think the only way you can discuss privately is by email or pm's, yet as the rev said, if you open a thread expect all to discuss. It is an open forum. Sorry if our Scriptural and logical questions stump you so that you must retreat to secret conspircies with those of the pagan faith which you share...goodday!

Star · Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:17 am Post subject:

Its so sweet when brothers can dwell in unity and the affection of Christ.

In Him

Star Rolling Eyes

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6840 Location: USA

Stoking the fires a bit Star? I wonder if the incitement is truly necessary?

MoJo · Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:18 pm Post subject:

I'm with Star. If you guys can't discuss this without flinging insults, then my advice would be not to discuss it.

Smoke - why don't you try knocking that great big chip off your shoulder. Your terse way of communication is off-putting. This is a DISCUSSION BOARD and people will discuss. Others are just as entitled to make there views known and are under no obligation to follow your criteria for discussion.

If people want to abide by your rules, then fine, but you're laying them out like a dictator and it's hardly any wonder people might take offense at the way you phrase these things.

How about this; Would you object to using only the KJV so that we can all be referencing the same material?

What a much more loving and respectful way to put it, wouldn't you agree - speaking to your neighbour as you would wish to be spoken to? Very Happy

Star · Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:12 pm Post subject:

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6840 Location: USA

My humblest apologies Star. I misunderstood your intent. I read your comments as provocation and given your propensity to espouse LOVE in everything you do, I found your comments poorly placed and particularly inciteful.

Alas the fault is mine for not giving you the benefit of the doubt and I apologize.

Star · Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject:

JP

Even in the way you worded your response to me shows double speak.

Are you unable to simply state anything without a dig being woven into it?

Nevermind, you don't have to answer that.

In Him

Star

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6840 Location: USA

I'll be happy to answer that.

I apologized to you, you rejected it. It is that simple.

That you choose to read a 'dig' into my explanation of why I said what I said is completely attributed to you. That you cannot take a sincere apology with a gracious heart is saddening to me. Good day.

Star · Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:35 pm Post subject:

Its this JP...

and given your propensity to espouse LOVE in everything you do

Star replies,

I dont hate you JP, if I did I would constantly be on your heels trying to "snag you" I'm not doing that to you, I've given you much less to negatively comment on then you have myself or others.

I promise I'm not out holding a grudge against you, but I do feel you might not be aware of how you are perceived in your answers to others. I even dislike having a conversation like this because you pull "words" in an explanation in order to snare an individual and I dont understand that in anyone. I'm not a fast talker in the sense that I can weasel words and twist or use big fancy words needing a dictionary to look up everything between "and" and "the" and I appologize if your sincere in yours. Either way I hold no grudge against you I accept you are who you are and you think what you think and come to your conclusions on anything as I do to my own. I never question this about you. Its just sometimes your wordings look like "digs" and I'm not the first to perceive this. I'm telling you to make you aware that we can have a good relationship not a bad one, I think you'd like to change this amen? I know I do. I thought you'd like to know that I do.

In Him

Star

Dust · Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:40 pm Post subject:

Trinity?

hmmm.......I don't really like the term, but I do believe that God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one.

What we know of God is that which the Holy Scriptures reveal.

We see with-in Scripture that in addition to strictly infinite God-like traits, God also possess traits which men can and do possess to some degree or another......such as love......the ability to communicate......the ability to create....ect......

The Word of God provides a way in which we can have a relationship with the infinite God. Without the Word of God, we have no access to God the infinite.

Is it not possible that Jesus is the human embodiment of the human like traits of God? Traits of which we were made in the image of? Traits which are revealed to us about God through the Scriptures.

Jesus, or The Word as John calls Him, is that humanly comprehensible part of God which gives us access to His humanly incomprehensible infinite self.

So when God/Jesus is viewed in this light, it becomes more clear that a logical error must occur when we try to seperate the Humanity of God (Jesus) from God the Infinite. The happenstance of this error occuring may be one reason why God has emphized through-out Scripture that....He is ONE.

Jesus is that part of God which created the heavens and the earth. Jesus is the image of God in which we were created. Jesus is that part of God which communicated with Moses. Jesus is that part of God which entered into a covenant with the Jews. Jesus is that part of God which inspired men to write the Holy Scriptures. Jesus is that part of God which allows us to have a relationship with God. Jesus (or The Word) is the only way we can know God personally.

God's chosen people.....the Jews, were to introduce God to all the nations of the world, so that Gentiles could have a relationship with God as well. For whatever reason that was not happening, as we see revealed in the pages of the OT. That part of God which took the form of a man (Jesus) was able to set into motion a covenant which would indeed introduce/bring the one true God to all the nations of the world. We are witness of the effectiveness of this New Covenant, as today nearly 1/3rd of the earths population claim to be Christian (most of whom are Gentiles). We may even be approaching the 'full number of the Gentiles' as spoken of in Romans 11.

MoJo · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:40 am Post subject:

Hi dust. Long time no see.

Where do you get the statistics of 1/3 being Christian?

Zech 13: 8 - 9 comes to mind.

Very Happy

Dust · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:06 am Post subject:

Hello MoJo. I've been around, checking in every now and then. My study of the Word, and how it fits with various doctrines out there continues.

That stat comes from various sources. An internet search will probably provide confirmation.

James1-26 · Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:24 am Post subject:

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.