God Created Evolution

Warrior Monk · Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:52 pm Post subject: God Created Evolution

Evolution exists. We witness it through natural and domestic selection.

We also know that all these things have a First Cause. And the First Cause of these things is the Almighty LORD God, benevolent author of all things that are, that were, and shall be.

Star · Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:53 pm Post subject:

Hey warrior,

Though many would disagree with me I don't make any argument on evolution whatsoever. I think theres none against it. I believe that the book of Genesis is Spiritual Words expressing Spiritual truths it has nothing to do with this world, though I used to think so I don't anymore. The Begining as I see it is the Earth in its begining BECAME DESOLATE, I believe all things are pointing to Christ when the Light left the world on the Cross and it was desolate at that point (so no argument here) it was Christ who IS THE TRUE BEGINING of the NEW CREATION RIGHT THERE AT THAT POINT IN GENESIS.

The Spirit that moved over the Face of the Waters is NOT talking about the Atlantic or pacific Ocean, these are Spiritual words, and the definition of these Waters the Spirit of God was moving OVER were PEOPLES as Revelation gives the true interpretation. The only time this could be is AFTER Christ yeilded UP His Spirit at the Cross. So when God said, "Let there be Light" He was sending His Spirit into the hearts of PEOPLE (The Waters) seen in the picture. The Light is indeed GOOD Very Happy

Darkness was present first I know of no better light for em' waters then His Spirit Very Happy

He then SEPARATES the waters, not from side to side but from those who believe (Born from ABOVE) from those who do not believe (BELOW) the GATHERED WATERS below are the SEAS they are seen in scripture as "The wicked".

then ofcourse you got the Sun the moon (which later turns to BLOOD) HINT- HINT. You know... Two great Lights. Theres scriptures which talk about the "lesser" and the "greater" or the " etc these are all spiritual, its not about dinosuars or the phsical planet earth. I agree

The stars for signs are not talking about astrology. Its explained elsewhere throughout scripture.

So enjoy evolution and the study of it if thats what your into you'll get no argument from me Very Happy

The study of these spiritual words are what get me into the conversation because however grand the Phsical Earth is, its only temporal ya know...

Good luck on your crusade
In Him

Star

In Him Star

metothezero · Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:54 am Post subject:

Star, the imagery you portray is quite attractive. Yet you stopped short of it all, please continue on how we are to interpret the rest. What exactly do the plants represent, and the animals, and Humans? I love the idea of seperating the waters being imagery for the election, but I would as a Reformed thinker. But I am confused as to the rest. Also I do not understand what the Sun and Stars represent, 'hint, hint', does nothing for the slow of understanding. Please continue. Smile

Star · Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:02 am Post subject:

Meto,

I think your getting it, thats the Holy Spirit in you musing on these things. Paul speaks of these things in 1 Corinth 15:41 though what he says doesn't answer much for me. I used to just take what he said literally thinking it had no real relevance and left it alone.

In Jerm 31:35 The Sun for a Light by day (Jesus says, let us work while it is Day for night cometh when no man can work) in reference to "The Moon" is speaks of ordinances OF IT. The stars are a light by night. Psalm 8:3 The moon and stars THOU HAS ORDAINED and in Psalm 147:4) He TELLETH THE NUMBER of the Stars calling them BY NAME. Now we want to find out THE NUMBER... See what I mean? God leads us to look in other places He drops clues to us.Duet 10:22 GOD MADE THEE as the STARS OF HEAVEN. In Job God commands the Sun and it RISETH NOT and SEALETH THE STARS, look up SEALETH, Daniel's a GOOD PLACE... look what God sealeth up and WHO it was sealeth up among. Let the Holy Spirit take you where your going in this any impressions you get take note of them. Duet 1:10 YE ARE THIS DAY AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN. God speaks in similitudes. Gen 37:9 Sun, Moon and ELEVEN STARS wheres the number ELEVEN??? Connect the Stars with the Disciples in Daniel being SEALED UP and the Eleven in the gospels they confirm each other. Look at Rev 12:4 the word here is THE TAIL that drew a third part of the stars of heaven. Look up THIRD, look at WHO IS THE TAIL, I forget where it is 9you know me) but run the Tail and false prophet that speaketh lies. Its all spiritual. Do you find the "elements" dissolving yet? Wink

The natural moon cannot be turned to blood I'm still looking and pulling these things together in Christ. For example the Light was good we are children of the Light, called the Light DAY we are children of the Day, YET the light dawns IN US. Those that sleep sleep in NIGHT in Darkness, but WE are NOT in darkness, look how the apostle uses these words here expressing the spiritual truths of them. God made Two great lights, look at Jesus refering to John, HE WAS A LIGHT THAT BURNED FOR AWHILE, what did John say of Jesus? He who comes after me IS GREATER THAN I.

This just gets you pondering, which is good.

Look at the grass in Genesis ALL men are as the grass, the herb the Fruit tree these come up from the Earth. Jesus speaks about knowing a tree by its fruit, as God had cursed the ground seen later, Jesus cursed the fig tree. Theres some correlation but I haven't gotten to these yet. Like I said in an ealier post. I've been in the book of Genesis for YEARS and I have yet to discover everything that lays hidden in here.

God also recounts things, He shows them over and over again, like creating them on the sixth day and in Genesis 5 He recounts this again, showing it over and over in various shadows and in various ways so we can get familiar with how He speaks and we can "compare" these things.

Does this help Meto? Because I truly cannot say I know everything. But I know this one thing, if we are faithful in handling what little we do have we can be trusted with much more and this has been a proven principal God has shown me in my own life in accordance to His Word.

We can study it together!!! Very Happy

asking God to give us understanding through the Holy Spirit Very Happy

In Him
Star

metothezero · Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:54 pm Post subject:

I thought the seas were man, but the grass or vegetation is as well? What about the animals, you still haven't suggested about the animals.

Quick question, in believing that all of these are symbolic for something else, do you still believe them to be an accurate account of the creation story? Or would you hold to the Evolutionary theory?

Star · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:42 am Post subject:

Meto,

Paul speaks of Abels words, indeed HE CRIES because GOD SAID LISTEN!!!! Very Happy

Do we HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT IS SAYING TO US? The Spirit only bears witness OF CHRIST. The words are SPIRITUAL. Jesus tells the Pharisees You "look up in the sky" and so lo, its going to rain and asks why is it that you cannot discern the signs. In otherwords they cannot discern the word of God. or Gods coming to them. ITS HIDDEN, so is CHRIST and and the stars of Heaven as signs. Where are we seated? The Pharisees could only see the things of THIS WORLD through carnal vision.

Paul understoood in PART and only makes but a MENTION to Abel but if you take and PROVE PAUL against scripture the entire cross can be seen there. So just as I have found only a short bit in Genesis, its enough to lay down the sword on my fight with others concerning "evolution vs. creation". Theres no point in it whatsoever.

Ok I'm getting off the subject. All men are like grass which perish, Jesus talks about bearing FRUIT with see in it. I also took note last night in reading this that tree (I think is singular) bearing fruit with seed in it after HIS KIND. Not sure. Look at the fig tree Jesus cursed the fig tree, time wasn't ripe for figs. Look in revelation where the leaves of the trees are for the healing of the nation, look at the olive trees, the tree of life (Christ seen later showing it was pointing to someone) and the Tree of knowledge of good and evil.The good seed, The tares, the wheat etc. I don't see it all. But if you look at only that which is intriguing to you you'll be led in the right direction. The part that intrigued me was the waters and boy was I BLOWN AWAY when the Spirit quickened to me that these are PEOPLE TRIBES NATIONS Etc. defined by the words of scriptures themselves. the separating these waters from above and below immediately quickened Jesus words, "Ye are from below", "we are from above". Before God separated anything there was light. The Word divides people from people and it also divides IN US as well. Look at Jesus and how many times he walked through the midst of the people and it says "they were divided". Amazing really!

Even though the Serpent eats dust (seen in one picture) he is also considered a "wild animal" NOT something that crawls along the ground UNTIL He is cursed. Therefore a wild animal eats GRASS or men Even when cursed its the DUST of the earth. He seeketh whom he shall devour.

But bear with me here, when I woke up this morning I had a verse come to me and I thought I'd post it, maybe it might speak to you a bit here.

The Word of God is REFINED in a FURNACE OF CLAY SEVEN TIMES MADE PERFECT. So just as we begin to see and understand that God is speaking of Christ and spiritual things doesn't mean its refined in our understanding, we keep His word and THINK on it and in our Clay vessels a FIRE WILL BURN just as the disciples HEARTS BURNED as the scriptures are being opened to us. ROASTING your MEAT (I have meat to eat that ye know NOT OF) over the FIRE of the Holy Spirit. This is His word being REFINED IN US by FIRE= FURNACE OF CLAY. Look at the wedding feast, someone filled those clay vessels with WATER it was JESUS who CHANGED what was INSIDE the CLAY JARS to WINE. We have this TREASURE IN AN EARTHEN VESSEL.

For example I look at Enoch who is the SEVENTH from ADAM (the FIRST MAN) and see a SPIRITUAL TRUTH, its not about geneology. The Seventh can be seen as the perfected word in us. Christ in us made PERFECT IN LOVE or brought forth into completion.

Paul said, It is NO LONGER I WHO LIVE BUT CHRIST WHO LIVES WITHIN ME.

Like Enoch it says, FOR**** HE*** was ***NOT*** GOD TOOK HIM (hidden in Christ)

See?

This is where you can see that God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Not only do these pictures let us see our salvation in Christ, but they draw in Christ Himself to which they testify of and they can confirm the epistles of Paul. A cord of THREE STANDS is not so quickly broken (In debate either). A Testimony of two or three witnesses every matter shall be established. This isnt talking about the testimony of man, Christ does not accept that. Its speaking according to the law and The Testimony, the Spirit bears witness.

Jesus fulfills each picture because He is the begining and the end of each picture. He is Both the LIGHT on the FIRST DAY and He FINISHED GODS WORK on THE CROSS on THE SEVENTH DAY.

You can really just keep on going here. But meto run with what intrigues you (is the only way I know how to put it) to go in the direction the Spirit wants to take YOU. You'd be amazed.

In Him
Star

Star · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:29 am Post subject:

Heres a couple more that came to me while thinking of them

Ephesian 3:9 And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been HID in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Proverbs says it is to THE GLORY OF GOD (Who is JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF) to CONCEAL A MATTER and theres NOTHING CONCEALED THAT WILL NOT BE MADE KNOWN. and to the GLORY OF KINGS (KINGDOM OF PREISTS) to SEARCH IT OUT (Like THE BEREANS of NOBLE CHARACTER). (Col 2:3) CHRIST IN WHOM ALL THE TREASURES OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE. The HOLY SPIRIT takes from what is His and MAKES IT KNOWN TO US. We have been GIVEN THE MIND OF CHRIST who SEARCHES OUT THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD. BOTH BEARING WITNESS TO HIM AND REVEALING HIM IN US.

God "LIKENS THINGS", "The LIKENESS OF" or "AS" Hosea says GOD SPEAKS IN SIMILITUDES. Seeing similitudes LITERALLY is NOT understanding what a Similitude is.

With regards to an OX in Psalm 106:20 Look what THEY CHANGED.

They changed THEIR GLORY (to seach it out or hid their heart from understanding) INTO THE SIMILITUDE OF AN OX THAT EATETH GRASS.

In otherwords what is to their glory in searching it out is simply seeing an OX not what its speaking of. Isaiah 66 I believe) He that killeth an Ox as if he slew A MAN. (Jerm 11:19) But I was like an OX that is brought to the slaughter. Look in (1Cr 9:9 and 1Tit 5:18) He's not talking about an Ox.

Is it the Ox that God cares about? No He says this of us.
Wink

In Him
Star

Star · Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:28 am Post subject:

I received some more on these as I sought to understand them, even I was just shown something I never saw before and its after the Seventh Day... Never seen it and I've been looking into only the first 5 chapters of Genesis for YEARS.

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] THE FRUIT TREE yielding fruit after HIS kind, whose SEED IS IN ITSELF, UPON THE EARTH: and it was so.

So the EARTH yields seed, and heres the FRUIT TREE, YE ARE THE BRANCHES We YEILD FRUIT IN HIM if WE ABIDE IN HIM, WHOSE SEED IS ****IN ITSELF**** The GOOD SEED is the children of the Kingdom. He who sows the good seed is the Son of man.

God gives us SEED FOR SOWING. Neither we who sow or him that waters is anything BUT GOD who makes it grow.

The Field is the World and we are Gods field.

Now wait you might say... How does this truly fit here? Thats our wonderings about these things and the Holy Spirit calls things to our rememberance teaching us. Look at Genesis 2:5 it says

BEFORE IT GREW GOD HAD NOT CAUSED IT TO RAIN UPON THE EARTH and NO MAN TO TILL THE GROUND...

Hmmmm what is THIS kind of RAIN???

Well wait He did created man on the sixth day here what kind of contradiction is this? Its NOT a contradiction at all. AFTER the SEVENTH DAY when God rested (Speaking of Christ Himself finished the work of God) Dividing the waters (which are peoples) etc.He yeilded UP HIS SPIRIT (THATS THE MIDST!), read on...

And a MIDST WENT UP (Yeilded up? Spirit?) and watered the ENTIRE GROUND. This is AMAZING!!! Can you see this? Has this been taught in sermons? NO WAY!!!! Because the Testimony of Jesus Christ IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHESY.

It was AFTER THE SEVENTH DAY!!! ITS SPEAKING OF AFTER THE CROSS!!! DAVIDS CHILD DIED ON THE SEVENTH DAY, this IS THE DAY OF THE CROSS HIDDEN!!!

You would think God would RAIN DOWN WATER if it were speaking of this physical world but it WAS NOT. ALL THINGS were MADE BY CHRIST. ALL THINGS ARE SUMMED UP IN CHRIST.

Note here God begins to FORM THE MAN FROM THE DUST OF THE GROUND... Wait... hold on, didn't He just create Him on the sixth day? God is now recounting what He has done here. After He sends His Spirit UP (The MIDST WENT UP from the ground) God forms Man from the DUST. Christ manifested. Now we can see the picture of God making a Woman from His side, who was PEIRCED ON HIS SIDE???? What FLOWED FROM HIS SIDE??? THE BLOOD AND WATER. SHE IS NOW HIS FLESH AND BONE, thats why when Jesus had arisen He could say to His Disciples that He had FLESH AND BONE, the Mystery of this is CHRIST AND THE CHURCH Paul said. He only HINTS at it but leaves this awesome discovery for US!

Ok.. I'm done typing lol! Does this not make any sense that this was indeed Christ Himself?

No hold on, I just got some more here, it was ADAM who NAMED THE BEASTS GOD BROUGHT TO HIM. Want to know their names?

BROOD OF VIPERS, SNAKES, YE SERPENTS, TELL HEROD THAT FOX! Jesus was angry and no without cause. He knew the Pharisees and Teachers of the law were taking away the keys to the Kingdom that God wants us to have. They put blinders on others and cannot see themselves. They have no room in them for Gods word and yet TEACH IT usurping His place as Teacher in our lives.

Yet... HE NAMED THE BEASTS alright, whatever He called them THAT WAS THEIR NAME.

We have been entrusted with the SECRET THINGS OF GOD THAT WHICH WAS HIDDEN AND NOT UNDERSTOOD BUT GOD HATH REVEALED IT TO US BY HIS SPIRIT.

God is SOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD!!! Not many were wise and those that thought they were wise God CONFOUNDS!

In Him Star

Parousia · Newbie Alert Joined: 23 Oct 2005 Posts: 0

Hi Star, I'm new here. It's nice to "meet" you. I take Genesis 1 as a literal account of how God created the earth. I think far too many Christians are unjustifiably intimidated by evoution and, therefore, look for some way to reconcile Genesis with it. I don't think that is the case with you, however, since you are spiritualizing it. I understand that Genesis 1 is the actual account of how God not only created the physical bodies (e.g. earth, sun, moon, stars), and plant and animal life, but also how He established how our world would function (e.g. night and days and the seasons). There is dependable, consistent order in our world that could not have happened apart from intelligent design. If you believe that Genesis is merely spiritual, what is your understanding of how our world came into being? Or do you believe that Genesis 1 is both spiritual and actual? Thanks for your reply.

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:26 am Post subject:

In the beginning was conception.

I can find a lot that relates to the days of creation to the growth of an embryo to birth.
Like void and formless darkness on the face of the deep, would be the first few hours after the embryo begins to form.
Let their be light, would be the beginning functions of life and intelligence. The dividing of the waters, the first division. And then it multiplies into 4, north, south, east, west. or 4 rivers that proceed from eden.
Then it multiplies. "Be fruitful and multiply".
The arm of the Lord, the spinal column. The birds, thoughts, the fish, blood cells maybe the white ones. Beasts the red ones.
creation of trees the nerve endingss in the brain.
And creation of man, the soul or physical flesh features.
The breath of life, is the spirit or ego/Id.
And on the seventh day God rested. Like the 9th month when it's just waiting time for delivery.
Just ranting here....

Lone

unschoolmom · Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject: