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metothezero Tiger Cub
Joined: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 791 Location: east texas
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:14 am Post subject: False Prophecies of the Jehovah's Witnesses |
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I present this not for arguments to follow. There can be no arguments presented by a Witness for these materials. I present this simply for those who are in the organization to stop and think for a moment about this material. It is all from Watchtower publications, if you do not believe them, look them up yourself. Other than that, goodday!
False Prophecies of the Jehovah's Witnesses
The Witnesses make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, to be the only true representatives of God, to have the only correct biblical teaching, and to be the only true announcers of Jehovah's coming kingdom.
If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God's word, then what they say should prove to be true, especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. Following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, "Those are taken out of context," or "They didn't claim to be the prophet of God," or "The light is getting brighter and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now," etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses' literature.
Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy, and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to.
Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.
In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.
| Quote: | | IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" -- "So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?...This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses...Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a ‘prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it." The Watchtower, 4/1/72, p. 197. (See Deut. 18:21) |
| Quote: | | 1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 4, page 621. |
| Quote: | | 1899 "...the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." The Time Is at Hand, page 101 (1908 edition). |
| Quote: | | 1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873." The Time Is at Hand, page ii, (forward). |
| Quote: | | 1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." Millions Now Living Will Never Die, page 89. |
| Quote: | | 1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914." The Watchtower 9/1/22, page 262. |
| Quote: | | 1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." The Watchtower, page 106 4/1/23. |
| Quote: | | 1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year." The Watchtower, 1/1/25, page. 3. |
| Quote: | | 1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work." The Watchtower, Sept, 1925 page 262. |
| Quote: | | 1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything." The Watchtower, page 232. |
| Quote: | | 1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates." Vindication, page 338. |
| Quote: | | 1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon." The Watchtower, 9/15/41, page 288. |
| Quote: | | 1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an ‘end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The ‘end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?.. Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them." Awake, 10/8/68. |
| Quote: | | 1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" The Watchtower, 8/15/68, page 494. |
A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?
A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect -- if that were possible" (Matt. 24:24).
Taken from Carm.org _________________ The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike.
C. S. Lewis
Atheism is a ferocious system, that leaves nothing above us to excite awe, nor around us to awaken tenderness. --R. Hall. |
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franksinatra Big Hamster
Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 93
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| metothezero wrote: | | Taken from Carm.org |
If you try to say you learned the trinity from the Bible, you are a liar. You learned it thru Christendom's ministers and publications.
I won't cast pearls with you.
How are people going to learn the truth except thru the congregation that Jesus controls? How will they identify this group among the many false prophets and the multitude mislead by them on the wide road leading to destruction? Do you know how? No, its not by years of study among the super-fine apostles. The sheep know the shepherd's voice from that of the stranger. His congregation bares the marks of true Christianity. Do you know what they are? Yes, they're in the Bible! |
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RevJP Moderator

Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6913 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Frank wrote: | | If you try to say you learned the trinity from the Bible, you are a liar. You learned it thru Christendom's ministers and publications. |
Where did this come from? I read nothing in this thread regarding the trinity.
| Quote: | | How are people going to learn the truth except thru the congregation that Jesus controls? |
You are exactly correct Frank, and as the Word of God has told us "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." So one can rightfully conclude that the JW congregation is NOT controlled by Jesus. _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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franksinatra Big Hamster
Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 93
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Note how Jesus instructed truth seekers to distinguish false and true prophets/his representatives:
(Matt 7:15,16) Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them.
Peter understood that false Christians would cause divisions, showing they had disowned their Master Christ Jesus: (2 Peter 2:1) However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.
Jesus said his disciples would be no part of the world. (John 17:16) The apostle John and Jesus' brother James knew what this meant:
(1 John 2:15-17) Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.
(James 4:4) Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.
Christendom has proved herself an adultress, fornicating with the political rulers and greedy commercial merchants of this world. Not so with true Christians, and for this they are persecuted.
What kind of watchman would you hire? One that perhaps may occasionally sound a false alarm as he alertly guards the owners possessions, or one that falls asleep on the job or is afraid to be wrong so he fails to take any precautions.
(Rev 16:15) Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.
How shameful Babylon's watchman are. Yes, in one night the Great Prostitute will be devoured like her ancient counterpart. Get out of her, the Watchman has warned. They and those who listen will soon be rewarded for their diligence. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. (Rev 18:8;22:20)
P.S. Thanks for not answering my simple question about your god's ability to destroy a soul. Such dilemmas result from false doctrines that create gaping holes in simple reasoning. Yes, God created reasoning ability before he gave us the Bible, thus truth never offends reason. |
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Zathrus King Kong

Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Posts: 2269 Location: WI USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:54 pm Post subject: Thanks, meto!! |
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Thanks for presenting this, meto!
I respect anyone who says the light is growing brighter and they're understanding things better as they go along. But to still claim they are the one true church and the only ones saved is the height of spiritual arrogance.
The JW's are just another religious group claiming they have something the rest of us don't. There are thousands of such groups and they don't know it all anymore than we do.
I love the little turn-around they did regarding the 1925 date! I laughed out loud when I read that. I needed a morning laugh!  |
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franksinatra Big Hamster
Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 93
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Get a copy of the 6/15/1974 Watchtower article entitled "Serve with Eternity in View." Interestingly, this was printed (and prepared even earlier) before that infamous year 1975. Any other half-truths and outright lies of propagandists can be exposed when sincere truth seekers get the whole picture.
Jesus wasn't kidding when he said: "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me." (John 15:18-21)
It is the genuine desire of all true Witnesses of Jehovah that you "know the One that sent" Jesus - Jehovah, Jesus' God and Father. (John 20:17) |
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Zathrus King Kong

Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Posts: 2269 Location: WI USA
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:42 pm Post subject: Let's keep this in perspective |
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frank, please don't take our posts as persecution. I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that we wish no harm to any Witness, nor would we inflict any.
You must admit, if the Watchtower Organization has diminished its credibility in our eyes, it certainly has brought this upon itself. For instance, writing about an expectation, allegedly clearly presented in scripture, that old testament saints were to walk among us in glorified immortal bodies in 1925, and then after the fact saying that the Lord had never stated this, and in Sept of that year, going so far as to attribute that expectation to Satan! You should not be so hard on mainstream Christians. Perhaps most mainstream Christians are merely taking a conservative approach when they attribute all JW teaching to Satan.
| franksinatra wrote: | | It is the genuine desire of all true Witnesses of Jehovah that you "know the One that sent" Jesus - Jehovah, Jesus' God and Father. |
frank, that is commendable. But you're preaching to the converted here. I know your JW doctrine says otherwise, but most who post on this board, and certainly all who've participated in this thread up until now, have placed their faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior, and have come to know Jehovah, the only true God. |
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metothezero Tiger Cub
Joined: 13 Aug 2003 Posts: 791 Location: east texas
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Frank, I am going to ask you a series of questions, and you needn't give me long exhaustive tiring nonsense about how I am a member of the great '*One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession* babylon' or the whatnots. Simply answer the question and everything will be quite allright.
Question #1.
This verse is a directly out of the NWT, Deut 18:22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.. Is this or is this not directly out of the Scriptures, hence inspired of God, hence perfectly true?????
Simple yes or no question...I'll even take a y or a n, it doesn't matter, as long as you respond with an affirmative answer as that is the correct one. _________________ The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike.
C. S. Lewis
Atheism is a ferocious system, that leaves nothing above us to excite awe, nor around us to awaken tenderness. --R. Hall. |
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Reverend Swaggart Tadpole
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 16
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The JWs have more falsies (false prophecies) than all my old girlfriends combined! Just another cult. |
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TBax King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1973
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:49 am Post subject: |
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I found this on another site from Brenton who was writing to "kindoman".
Can I ask you a few questions?
What would you say to a person that out right denies Jesus?
What would you say to a person that mistakes something that Jesus said and spreads a teaching that sounds like a false prophecy?
What would you say to a person that encouraged racial separation in a congregation?
The Apostle Peter was such a man. Did that make take him away from Christ? Did Jesus stop using him?
What would you say to a church or congregation where people were following different individuals instead of Jesus? or were allowing imoralatity in its midst that the out side people would find disgusting.
That is some of the problems of the Corinthians.
You see Kindoman every one makes mistakes. Moses did , King David did, and they were used by God even after they made mistakes.
A mistake in understanding is just that. A mistake. That is why the congregations in the first century were counselled to keep taking in knowledge
John 17:3 “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” NWT (Please note the NWT translates this verse differently from most Bibles to find out why visit my old web site http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/hepburn/nwt.htm _________________ Agape,
TBax |
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