The Roman Catholic Church Inserted The Trinity , The Trinity

FFT · Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:00 am Post subject:

Sorry, the heart is naught but a muscle. Maybe that's why people get heart attacks?

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

FFT · Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:19 am Post subject:

That's not your heart hurting, it's pain caused by breath constriction.

Next.

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

ok here we go
Good day there,
i have pain in my heart, where? heart? now a business man has a mafor probem and needs to resolve it , he has pain in his head. ok
head , heart are they the same. no?
now christina, i hear your concern and opoint but i hear FFT's as well. He certainly has a point, the heart can be changed it's a pump. but the mind cannot be changed unless chemical imbalances cause so called damage. the head or brain is the place where the functions are going on and i guess you could say that science has proved it.
But what i'm allucing to is the two different parts of the spirit. one is the mind and the other the soul. You are eternally connected to God through the soul , the seat of emotions, of which love is the good direct connect. Ths sprirt or or mind has two components, the mind or reservoir of all information taken in through the senses, the intelligence is the operator or funcion that reasearches and pulls stored info from the mind to activate. Otherewise it's function is to analze things in perspective. Getting a head ache does not necessarily change your emotion of loving someone. so you can take a pill for that. but the pain of loosing someone is not typically treated with a pill , though they are trying to conclude that have pills for depression. Well they may have pills for the chemical inbalanced , so they say but that does not reslove a broken heart, or soul.
The bible speaks of those with a contrite heart. this refers to the words coming from the emotion area or soul of the person.

Let me add here , in all my much Bible reasearch and analysis, i have concluded that not applications of the words soul and spirit are appropriately in place sometimes the revese is needed to make good sense. However i 've noticed that the dictionary, definitions also overlap and are not clear on this point.
i hope this helps a little,

David2

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

God was in Christ ... popping up in His head saying," I'm in here."

No wait, He didn't do that. Cuz if He did, the evil people who arrested Jesus and filed false charges against Him would have been too afraid to.

Righ? Wrong? I don't know?

thunder

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Thank you Elijah 22, I'm with you. As for those who ask about manuscripts there is an ancient Aramaic Bible in the possession of priests of the Church of the East in Syria that is slowly being translated on line. By translated I mean the writing is in Aramaic letters with english on top.
The one I am interested in is only to Acts so far. There are also ancient letters by Roman soldiers etc who hated Jesus and wrote about the death of Jesus on the cross. It is said there is more available about Jesus then any other person who ever lived.

When you read the Bible Jesus was always saying I only do what the Fathers tells me. How did the Father tell Him, I really don't know, the only one who knows that is Jesus Himself. I'm just not going to try to second guess Him, it's enough for me to believe what He said. I think that's the bottom line, to believe in Jesus, believe what Jesus said, and to understand who He was and what He believed. Jesus was a Jew. He was born to a poor Jewish family who settled in a small poor Jewish village called Nazareth. Why was He sent, according to the Old Testament, Jesus was sent because of the terrible sins of His Jewish ancestors. This is recorded by most of the Prophets in the Old Testament.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6826 Location: USA

Exo 3:14 And God saith unto Moses, `I AM THAT WHICH I AM;' He saith also, `Thus dost thou say to the sons of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.'

Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I AM; and you will [all] see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power (the Almighty) and coming on the clouds of heaven. [Ps. 110:1; Dan. 7:13.]

Luk 22:70 And they all said, You are the Son of God, then? And He said to them, It is just as you say; I AM.

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/friendsearch/aramaic-bible.html

Mark 14:62 of the Blessed One the Son the Messiah areyou and said of man the son and you will see am I to haim said yeshua. heaven the clouds of upon and coming power the right hand at sitting.

In the Catholic bible the priest were interrogating Him and asked Him 'Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?" Jesus answered: I am; and you will ssee the Son of Man seated ath the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.

I don't know how you interpret this but to me Jesus said He was the Messiah when He answered I AM. He also said He would be seated at the right hand of God the Father, and He would return with the clouds of heaven. SOOOOOOOOOOO!

As for your use of the Old Testement here, this Catholic Bible in the Dogmatic Constitution on divine Revelation speaks on the Old Testament as this;The principal purpose to which the plan of the old covenant was directed was to PREPARE FOR THE COMING OF cHRIST, the redeemer of all and the messianic kingdom, to announce this coming by prophecy, and to indicate its meaning through various types.

Another words, the Old Testament talks about Christ in the future, but at the time the prophets wrote it He had not yet been born. Also, the Old Testament was discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls containing every book but the book of Ester. The Old Testament of the Dead Sea Scrolls was 1000 years older then the ones we were using at the time, yet were the same.

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

Where ... in all of this text is the so called trinity revealed?

All that I see is Jesus being interrogated and agreeing to the charge of being the ONE whom they sought to convict of saying that He was in fact the one and only deity and representation of the godhead.

For admitting to their charge, they found Him guilty, because He was and is the person of God in the form of a man but, they ( that is His accusers ) could not see that He was and is God. They could only see what they wanted to see, a man saying that He was in fact God.

It's a good thing too! If He had refused to say," I AM," His accusers would have had no reason to convict Him, sentance Him and put Him to death in the flesh, and become the Savior of all who trust in Him.

One might say, thank God for sinful men. Other wise, His accusers would have not been sinfully selfish enough to judge Him at face value. In their sufficiently selfish and sinful state, they could not see that the Spirit of God," was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself." 2 Cor.5:19

Jesus Christ, the visible image of the invisible God.

thunder

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Do we know for sure that God is invisable? I think we have come to the conclusion about the trinity. It is not Biblical and the problem I have with it is that the Bible says we will be judged in the end. If that's true then what will be the judgement on people who for the second time, sinned against God.

The great commandment that God gave His people of old, which to me still apply today is simple. Thou shall have no other God's before me, for I thy God am a jealous God.

God didn't say that so people could believe in three, three in one or replace God with His servant Jesus Christ. What He said was He is the one and only, the one true God.

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Amen Bridget, I agree with you exactly 100%!

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6826 Location: USA

I completely disagree. God's nature is clearly described in a variety of passages if one chose to read the bible alone.

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

RevJP I know we disagree on this. There are no Bible verses that describe a trinity. Think about it apart from what you have learned in Bible studies with your church. I don't know if you are a pastor but even if you are you attended seminary in a denomination of the current religion of our time that does believe in the trinity. Of course they are going to believe it and teach it to you. I taught it myself in Sunday School, and I believed it to be true because the church taught it. Then I thought everything the church taught was true. As I got into the church of the first century, as I learned more of who Jesus was I found that this man Jesus was Jewish and that's where my questions began. No Jew, now or in the past believed in a triune God. That's the reason I began to look ieven further to find out how the teachings of Jesus had changed so drastically. Jesus never taught a trinity, the Apostles never taught a trinity, so why would the Gospel writers teach a trinity or even write about it. It was never thought of in the first century, so now you come to a point where you have to ask, where did it come from and is it true. I asked that question and in twenty years of study came up with an answer I believe is true and history has shown is true.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6826 Location: USA

Sola Scriptura!