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RevJP
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The bible is not God's holy inspired Word? What then, is its use? We should just ignore what it has to tell us and live our lives any ol' way in which we choose.
I harken to 1 Corinthians, where Paul speaks of the wisdom of man... and find it futile to discuss things of the spirit and of truth, with those who have determined that the wisdom of man is superior to that of God and His written Word.
Discussion of biblical things with someone who does not believe in the scriptures as God-breathed is useless. Good day.
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| RevJP wrote: | The bible is not God's holy inspired Word? What then, is its use? We should just ignore what it has to tell us and live our lives any ol' way in which we choose.
I harken to 1 Corinthians, where Paul speaks of the wisdom of man... and find it futile to discuss things of the spirit and of truth, with those who have determined that the wisdom of man is superior to that of God and His written Word.
Discussion of biblical things with someone who does not believe in the scriptures as God-breathed is useless. Good day. |
Never said it was not God breathed. That (God breathed) just means different things to different people. Also considering that fallible humans were used in the inspiration. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Another buffet 'christian'? you are free to take what you like and avoid the rest? Very convenient, unscriptural, but convenient.
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Another buffet 'christian'? you are free to take what you like and avoid the rest? Very convenient, unscriptural, but convenient. |
Hmmm. Don't see where I am being such a christian. I just consider the details of things, that's all. You can say that the bible is God breathed and that means it is from God and without error. But, you have to also consider the instruments used to write the words on the pages of the bible. Does someone who has been inspired by God mean, though they are human, their ability to err ceases or does their ability to err still remain with them during that inspiration? Whatever your answer, how do you know it is whichever one you say it is? No one REALLY knows for sure, but it is our faith that allows us to believe it is so. Whatever it is! Just like Paul may have believed that in his day and time, Christ would return. Christ did not return in Paul's day and time, but Paul surely believed passionately that Jesus would be back during his lifetime. It was not so, but it was believed as if it were. |
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RevJP
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references please.
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| RevJP wrote: | | references please. |
References in regards to what? |
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | Just like Paul may have believed that in his day and time, Christ would return. Christ did not return in Paul's day and time, but Paul surely believed passionately that Jesus would be back during his lifetime. It was not so, but it was believed as if it were. |
References please.
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | Just like Paul may have believed that in his day and time, Christ would return. Christ did not return in Paul's day and time, but Paul surely believed passionately that Jesus would be back during his lifetime. It was not so, but it was believed as if it were. |
References please. |
What would my references prove to you? Does this particular quote of mine say something to you? If I did indeed post references, what would that serve for you? Obviously, whatever I have to say to you is pointless to you. You don't see what I see and you don't agree, so for me to post references would be of no purpose other than to add to your response of saying something to oppose me. I'm all for people having their view of what the bible means. You, on the other hand, appear to believe that when you open the bible and you read it, whatever conclusion you come to, I am expected to come to as well. Correct me if I am wrong. We are all not the same, so our perceptions of things are not going to always be the same. We also have things in common and are going to see things the same way sometimes. Imagine that:) |
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Da Blonde Bombshell
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| RevJP wrote: | | Another buffet 'christian'? you are free to take what you like and avoid the rest? Very convenient, unscriptural, but convenient. |
All Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible they will take literally and which they don't. Fundamentalists just don't admit it.
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RevJP
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I'm not opposed to contrasting interpretations, as long as they are not contradictory with the whole of scripture.
Summertime, if you feel the way you do, because that is how you feel, then that's fine by me. If you want to beleive that the bible says something it does not say, that is your perogative, but if you want to post those ideas here, you should expect questions and challenges - this is a bible discussion board BTW. If you are unable to support your interpretations of the bible by using the bible for support, then you probably should second guess your interpretations, or be open to input at least.
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rev: Summertime, if you feel the way you do, because that is how you feel, then that's fine by me.
me: Ditto!
rev: If you want to beleive that the bible says something it does not say, that is your perogative,...
me: When you say "that the bible says something it does not say", are you referring to the literal words on the pages?
rev: ....but if you want to post those ideas here, you should expect questions and challenges - this is a bible discussion board BTW.
me: Hmm. Did I say that I was getting what I was not expecting?
rev: If you are unable to support your interpretations of the bible by using the bible for support, then you probably should second guess your interpretations, or be open to input at least.
me: I'm always open to input and I never said that I was unable to support my views via the bible. |
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TheChordsOfLife
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Thank you for posting those links. I found them very enlightening and I couldn't detect any fault in them.
As for the continued conversation (I stopped reading at the bottom of page 2), it is quite lame.
Da Blonde Bombshell's argument seems to be very little more than flung out generalizations built up generalizations. I also find it ironic that she accuses others of being opionated.
Anyway, thanks for posting these links RevJP, they have certainly helped clarify things for me. Also, your persistence in this post is admirable.
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RevJP
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No problem Chords.
I struggled with understanding the issue of homosexuality for a long time. Like many I was under the thought cloud that God would not create someone gay if being gay was sinful. I figured being 'born that way' must've made it okay.
Pastor Piper's sermons on the corrupted nature of man was truly an eye opener to me, spiritually and scripturally, and gave me a clarity on the subject I had not had before.
I just wish those who are still in the throes of trying to defend the indefensible would look at the truth of the scripture concerning man's nature and cease trying to twist other scriptures to support what they want to do. Ultimately the issue really comes down not to what they are, but what they do.
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Da Blonde Bombshell
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| TheChordsOfLife wrote: | | Da Blonde Bombshell's argument seems to be very little more than flung out generalizations built up generalizations. |
That was helpful. I suppose those who claim to take scripture literally do not generalize as you see it then. As I see it that's all they do on this issue.
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I never meant that as a bad thing.
Tell you what: you have a right to be heterosexual and have whatever your opinions are about it, and everyone of differing orientation has the same right also. How's that?
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