Ignorance by choice

OBKB · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:31 am Post subject: Ignorance by choice

The inspiration of the Holy Word depends upon the ignorance of those who read. --Robert Greene Ingersoll [1833-1899].
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Nobby · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:50 am Post subject: Welcome

Hi OBKB,
If my inspiration of the Holy Word depends upon the ignorance of those who read. --Robert Greene Ingersoll [1833-1899].

What happens if I haven't read ...Robert Greene Ingersoll [1833-1899]. Very Happy

OBKB, welcome to our board. Make your self at home. If you have any questions just ask me or RevJP our moderator.
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OBKB · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:36 pm Post subject:

Robert Green Ingersoll is saying that free thinking sentient beings can not align with ancient dark age barbaric thinking. The choice of available dialogue from the mind/pen of Robert Green Ingersoll is readily available on the internet.
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HeKkLeR · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject:

OBKB · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:02 pm Post subject:

1.) Logic and reason dictate that I no longer take guidance from long dead witnesses to supernatural occurrences.
2.) Logic and reason dictate that I no longer remain tethered to a philosophy that shackles a sentient beings mind.
3.) Regardless of how the barbaric mind of belief in life after death defends the belief system of long dead witnesses there is no justification for perpetuating Dark Age thinking.
4.) In the future I will never knowingly allow myself to be hypnotized by someone in a robe swinging an incense ball and chain while trumpeting a life after death belief system.

I occasionally look back through the needle eye and offer the true life line of perspicacious thinking for all sentient beings. We should not languish with those that get pleasure from the aroma of burnt offering and spilling sacrificial blood. Those barbaric ideas need to be covered in the grave of naive thinking rather than excused, mollified and twisted to fit a misunderstanding of the natural world.
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HeKkLeR · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject:

OBKB · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:32 am Post subject:

HeKkLeR · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:47 am Post subject:

An honest question is not an accusation. Lower your defense a bit and you may see that to be truth.

I ask you this question because if I should continue to 'converse' or even to 'debate' with you on these issues you bring up, I should know if I am debating an unbreakable wall or not.

If you are not willing to try to understand the wisdom of which I speak, then why would I waste time and energy arguing a settled issue in your mind?

I have been down many paths of men. Your path is definitely not original or new to mine eyes or ears. I understand your ideas because I have counseled them myself. Yet, I would like to shed wisdom that you have no understanding of... not for myself, but for you.

Or would this be a dead-end?
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OBKB · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:52 am Post subject:

What wisdom can there be in barbaric superstition?
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HeKkLeR · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:58 am Post subject:

I do not know of what barbaric superstition of which you speak.

Yet, I do know of true wisdom to be found in knowledge that I possess...
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OBKB · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 6:16 am Post subject:

barbaric, -- (without civilizing influences)

superstition, superstitious notion -- (an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear)

irrational -- (not consistent with or using reason)

belief -- (any cognitive content held as true)

ignorance -- (the lack of knowledge or education)

Known universe was created? really
Eve was constructed from a rib? really
A snake chatted with Eve? really
A burning bush chatted with moses? really
etc. etc. etc.

Where is the pragmatic reality in all of this?
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OBKB · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 6:19 am Post subject:

Don't worry though we are atomically immortal until our atoms come into contact with anti-matter. Have a great future.
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Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

I really find people who consider themselves so superior they do not need God or His Son to be very entertaining. It's so obvious you don't have the first understanding of what you're saying or you wouldn't put yourself in the position by saying them. Learn of what you speak. Don't depend on what your professors or teachers say, find out for yourself. Jesus Christ didn't base His teachings on Philosophy but on God and His truth. No one says you have to believe in it, but don't knock what you obviously don't understand.

OBKB · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject:

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If this is barbarism, then God bless us for it:

1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

Mat 1:38You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.(10)
39But I say to you, Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too.
40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your undershirt (tunic), let him have your coat also.
41And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two [miles].
42Give to him who keeps on begging from you, and do not turn away from him who would borrow [[35] at interest] from you.(11)
43You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy;(12)
44But I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,(13)
45[36] To show that you are the children of your Father Who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the wicked and on the good, and makes the rain fall upon the upright and the wrongdoers [alike].
46For if you love those who love you, what reward can you have? Do not even the tax collectors do that?
47And if you greet only your brethren, what more than others are you doing? Do not even the Gentiles (the heathen) do that?
48You, therefore, must be perfect [growing into complete [37] maturity of godliness in mind and character, [38] having reached the proper height of virtue and integrity], as your heavenly Father is perfect

Mat 22:37And He replied to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (intellect).(3)
38This is the great (most important, principal) and first commandment.
39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself.(4)
40These two commandments [6] sum up and upon them depend all the Law and the Prophets

Luke 6:12This is My commandment: that you love one another [just] as I have loved you.
13No one has greater love [no one has shown stronger affection] than to lay down (give up) his own life for his friends.
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