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Zathrus King Kong
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: The number 666 |
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| Holywind wrote: | | Social Security Numbers are already incrypted to chips already being used in people and animals. They are not yet manditorily implanted in the right hand or foreheads of humans but that will happen soon. |
Time will tell. |
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Zathrus King Kong
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| OldSchoolTheocrat wrote: | | The only question left is: what does it mean to be marked on the forehead or in the right hand with the name of the wild beast? Well, when God gave Israel the Law, he told them: “You must apply these words of mine to your heart and your soul and bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they must serve as a frontlet band between your eyes.” (Deuteronomy 11:18) This meant that the Israelites had to keep that Law constantly before them, so that it influenced all their actions and thoughts. The 144,000 anointed ones are said to have the Father’s name and that of Jesus written on their foreheads. This identifies them as belonging to God and Jesus Christ. (Revelation 14:1) |
That verse in Deuteronomy is great!!
I'd like to bring up a thought, though. The new testament continually contrasts man's vain attempts to please God through keeping commandments and observing religious traditions with genuine restored relationship with God.
Might it not be that this verse in Deuteronomy is not just showing us a clue to what some alleged "Satanic imitation" will be, but the very mark written about in Rev 13 itself? I see having the laws of the old covanent written in our foreheads as being in direct contrast to having our Father's name in our foreheads.
Trying to serve God through observance of commandments is in direct cantrast to simply receiving a new nature. |
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Holywind Goldfish
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Blessings, Seeking El . . .
Just a thought here, Only 600-60-0006 can be written EXACTLY as it says in Revelation, which is . . .
SIX HUNDRED 600
THREE SCORE 60
AND SIX 0006
"his number is, six hundred, three score, and six"
3 digits -- 2 digits -- 4 digits
and it is the number of a man.
The other numbers you present would write out different from what it says in Revelation.  |
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Reaper Hamster
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: |
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THE GOLDEN IMAGE
There is a direct comparison to be made between the golden image of the Book of Daniel and the image of the beast in the Apocalypse. Image of Beast Revelation 13:18
600 (six hundred)
60 (threescore)
6 (six)
666
Image of Gold Daniel 3:1
Height 60 cubits
Breadth 6 cubits
In both instances the numbers are multiples of six. Both refer to statues that are set up. Both have to do with religious worship, and in each case the penalty for failure to do so is death. A studied comparison of the detailed activity of King Nebuchadnezzar, representative of the civil or dragon element, and the actions of the beast and its image, the clerical or religious element, assists in a better understanding of the prophetic role each will follow in the near future in putting to death the last members of the body of Christ. When the two accounts are combined, the Holy Spirit furnishes a prospectus of what to expect.
Daniel 3 shows that the civil element will act as executioner. In the type, when the three Hebrews were brought before the king, they were given an opportunity to recant. Their reply was, “We are not careful to answer thee in this matter” (Dan. 3:16).
In other words, when the chips are down and this issue is brought to public attention in the future, religious scruples and conscience being at stake, then a definite and positive stand will have to be taken. Prudence will no longer be expedient.
After the negative response of the three Hebrews, the king of Babylon’s visage changed, for their refusal was an affront to his authority and a wound to his prestige— and that before a large audience. The bowing to the statue was to be a display of unity. Leaders from all the various provinces were to get together and simultaneously worship the image at a given moment; i.e., when the music, a national or religious an-them,
was played.
The image in Daniel was described as golden to indicate a religious symbol. The statue was most likely that of Bel. As the god of the Babylonian Empire, “Bel” was incorporated into names such as Belshazzar (Isa 46:1; Jer 50:2; 51:44; Dan 1:7; 5:1). The image of gold was set up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon (Dan 3:1). Since Babylon is a symbol of Christendom, Dura indicates the scene of action. In the near future in Christendom, there will be a drawing together of the peoples to make a choice. King Nebuchadnezzar did not anticipate any dissent, for he thought the circumstances warranted his receiving unanimous support. Although he did obtain a real demonstration of power, he resented the handful who opposed his order. Desiring unanimous compliance, the king gave the three Hebrews another opportunity to indicate their support and loyalty. When they declined, they were thrown into the fiery furnace.
In the TYPE the three Hebrews were delivered miraculously; not even the smell of smoke was on their clothing. Besides the men who cast them into the furnace, the only thing destroyed was the rope or cords, which bound them. With their survival the king was “astonied” (as stone, frozen with astonishment). In the ANTITYPE, however, the Lord’s people will be delivered according to the spirit, NOT THE FLESH. It is the cords of flesh that will be burned or destroyed. Whereas the Hebrew children were physically delivered in connection with standing by their convictions and honoring God, the feet members of the body of Christ will be delivered only as new creatures; their cords of flesh will be burned and they will enter beyond the veil of human experience.
The statue erected by the king of Babylon represented two things: (a) the invisible purported national god himself and (b) a physical representation of his likeness. So in the Apocalypse, in the final analysis, two entities will be thrust before the public eye: (a) the beast and (b) his image.
THE TRINITY
The number 666 is composed of three 6’s. The fact that it is one number, yet contains three integers, suggests the doctrine to be used AS A PLOY in the future, namely, the doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinity will serve as a TEST upon all to determine their compliance with orthodoxy; all opposers will be eliminated from society as cultists, nonconformists, and heretics.
It should be noted that the number six, in itself, is not sinful, for the Holy City of God (Revelation 21) is replete with the multiple of six. Moreover, the basic measuring reed of the future Temple of God to be built in Jerusalem is spoken of as six cubits in length (Ezek 40:5). What makes the number 666 so detestable is that it is the counterfeit sacred number whereby the Papacy will assume again the prerogatives of Deity in the present life.
The PAGAN Trinitarian doctrine, as shown so profusely by Alexander Hislop’s “The Two Babylon’s”, existed many centuries prior to the introduction of Christianity into the world. This unholy and unscriptural doctrine found its way into nominal churchianity about the time of Constantine. It not only existed in Babylon but also was expressed in the complicated theology of Hinduism and Brahmanism.
Nearly A HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE CHRIST, Kalidasa, one of the most renowned poets of India, com-posed the following hymn in honor of the Trinity:
In those three Persons
The one God was shown,
Each first in place,
Each last—not one alone;
Of Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma,
Each may be first, second, third,
Among the blessed three.
“…And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” (Rev 20:4)
If the scriptures state that only the faithful, the elect WILL NOT bear the mark, ask yourself, how important is it to you to know or understand (i.e. be able to identify) who or what the ANTICHRIST is, so as to be sure that you are not bearing his mark or the number of his name? Many bare his MARK even now, and are totally unaware of it.
If you are waiting for your minister or your church to give you this information, you are going to be sadly disappointed. The scriptures state, “Here is wisdom, let him who has understanding (spiritual insight) calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of man: His number is 666 “ Rev 13:18
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larryjf Tiger
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard some say ....
the internet "www" is 666 because the Hebrew letter 'W' is the 6th letter.
ascii code for "al gore" is 666 - a (97) + l (108) + [sp] (32) + g (103) + o (111) + r (114) + e (101) = 666
666 is on every bar code - it's at the beginning, the middle, and the end.
Section 666 of Title 42 (the Social Security Act) (42 USC Sec. 666) now requires every state, as a condition of Federal Revenue Sharing, to obtain "the number of your name" before you can receive any state services
"HOLY BIBLE" (all caps) is 666. The numbers assigned to the ASCII capital letters H . O . L . Y . B . I . B . L . E . total six hundred sixty six.
Counting backward from Z in the Alphabet, 1,2,3 4,5,6 three times gives the letters I.O.U., the idea of debt.
The purple dinosaur Barney -
1) Start with the given:
CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR
2) Change all U's to V's (which is proper Latin anyway):
CVTE PVRPLE DINOSAVR
3) Extract all Roman Numerals:
C V V L D I V
4) Convert into Arabic values:
100 5 5 50 500 1 5
5) Add all the numbers:
666
I think the Pope has something writtne inside his big hat that also adds up to 666 (Something like Latin for Vicar of Christ??) |
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Reaper Hamster
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Larryjf states: I think the Pope has something written inside his big hat that also adds up to 666 (Something like Latin for Vicar of Christ?
“The tiara, in ecclesiastical usage, is the triple crown of the pope. It is a beehive-shaped, somewhat bulging, approximately 15-inch-high headpiece preferentially made of either silver or gold cloth encircled by three coronets, with a mound and cross of gold on top and two loose pendants or streamers hanging from the back. “Tiaras of Renaissance popes were especially ornate and precious, but tiaras of some popes contained no precious stones.”
“From the 14th century the popes have worn the triple crown. The three tiers of the tiara, richly ornamented with precious stones, indicated the power of the pope over heaven by his canonizing [saints], over purgatory by his granting of indulgences, and over the earth by his pronouncing anathemas.
The Council of Trent, as is well known, declared the Latin Vulgate to be the only authentic version of Scripture, and doctors at the council preferred it to the Hebrew and Greek text itself—though the prophets and the apostles wrote the latter. For over a thousand years the Roman Church Latinized everything, and to a large ex-tent still does use the Latin: in the Mass, prayers, hymns, litanies, canons, decrials, bulls, titles, inscriptions, and councils.
The “number of his [the beast’s] name” (verse 17) is “the number of a man,” the “man of sin” (2 Thess 2:3). In other words, the first beast is the Man of Sin, the Papacy. Since according to the prophecy this mystical number is the number of a man, the suggestion is that the number is to be derived from the name or title of some particular SYMBOLIC MAN. The most plausible explanation, noted by others, is a certain Latin title the pope has taken to himself and allowed others to apply to him.
The title is “VICARIUS FILII DEI,” that is, “Vicar of the Son of God.” Vicar, meaning “instead of” or “substitute,” describes the pope acting as the representative on earth of God or Christ. Jesus’ death on the Cross-is sometimes spoken of as a vicarious sacrifice, meaning a substitutionary sacrifice, namely, a man’s life for a man’s life. The letters of this title, which the Latin’s used as numerals, add up as follows:
V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = 0
R = 0
I = 1
V = 5
S = 0
F =0
I =1
L =50
I =1
I =1
D = 500
E = 0
I = 1
Total = 666,
(Note: In Latin the “U” of Vicarius becomes a “V,” and the double U [W] is actually a double “V.”)
“Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”
“Here we have indeed the number of a man, even the ‘man of sin;’ and it is a little singular, perhaps providential, that he should select a title which shows the blasphemous character of the beast, and then cause it to be inscribed upon his miter, as if to brand himself with the number 666. The foregoing extract doubtless refers to a particular pope on a particular occasion. Other popes might not wear the title emblazoned on the miter, as there stated. But this does not affect the application at all; for the popes all assume to be the ‘Vicar of Christ’ (see Standard Dictionary under ‘vicar’), and the Latin words given above are the words which express that title, in the form ‘vicar of the Son of God;’ and their numerical value is 666.” |
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Star King of the Jungle
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Smoke Goldfish
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How do we know for sure the "BEAST" will be just one single man? Sometimes the beast is refered as the seven headed 10 horned thing.
Does it clearly state anywhere the beast is one single person?
Rev 13 it appears the two beasts that come up are political & religious powers that get there power from the devil (dragon). Right?
It does say here is wisdom...COUNT the number of the beast. I see this number 666 in a lot of different possible things. |
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Star King of the Jungle
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Theres alot in the eppistles which hints on this as well.
As the Natural man is as a brute beast which "SPEAKS AGAINST" that which by "NATURE" does not understand. They seem to make themselves known.
This is also the Sign the Angel (as well as Paul warned those born of Christ would incur) a Sign to be "SPOKEN AGAINST"
These are seen blaspheming or "speaking against" (there's "the sign" again) the tabernacle or dwelling place of God (those seated in heavenly places).
L Ray Smith's website makes alot of sense on the beast I think, I'm not one to study mens stuff a whole lot but I fell on this one day and glad I did. Thats an interesting read.
I'm finding more and more I'm being blessed by those who don't really recieve their teaching from others but directly from our heavenly source Himself.
In Him
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James1-26 Bear Cub
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you all have lost it. Or maybe yall are just joking, but seriousness is gone. |
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NuTroll Newbie Alert
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imho the beast is the governmental system. the false prophet is the religious system (perhaps spearheaded by catholics), and the dragon is the anti-christ of 2thess2.
dragon gives its power to the beast is symbolic of him assuming the role of leader of a super government. (rev 13)
in revelations the w.h.o.r.e is babylon the city. The city is the source of harlotry and trafficking of merchants . This merchandise is the "false religion" doctrines and such that she (the w.h.o.r.e, or the one world, that rides on the beast one world government, which gained its power from the dragon satan)
trafficks in. (hard drink in proverbs also symbolizes this).
the reason no one can buy or sell without the mark (rev 13) , means that no one can proclaim the true christ over the fake world religion, because buying or selling is measured in terms spreading religion.
stigma (the last greek word of 666) is a mark on someone based on what god they served. Service to a God marked you with stigma.
chi xi stigma (666), the greek characters of 666. 14th, 22nd, 5-6th letters. Chi = unmarried. Xi = workers/enterprisers Stigma= father of vanity.
the Unmaried (to christ) workers of the Father of Vanity (Satan), as marked by service to him. MOTB.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1113224780-4836.html
*btw ive heard in Orig KJV the number is listed as 4 gross, 7 dozen and 6 rather than 600, 60, 6. anyone got a site for original KJV verses? |
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theseldomscene Banned
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| cute parlor trick. |
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theseldomscene Banned
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| by the way, in my life i've heard and seen, where people were able to makee 666 mean, ronald reagan, hitler, nero, caligula, many different popes or the catholic church, the protestant church, stalin, a.v. lenon, all man kind, a rebirthed alexander the great, and my favorite, the lenon who lived in a yellow submarine; john. what makes your special revelation so special. pps these are not all. |
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MoJo Moderator
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Hi NuTroll. My name is MoJo, one of the moderators of the board. Welcome.
Jim, I was considering the parable of the virgins in connection with this and asking myself who are the ((sellers)) of the oil the virgins go to buy from.
Rev 13:17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Those that have the mark are both the sellers and the ones who buy what they are selling. In regards to the virgins, this would have to be religion, do you think, because they don't give oil but are selling oil? So who are the ones who merchandize salvation?
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theseldomscene Banned
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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mojo,
yeah. and notice that it was at the time of the bridegrooms return that the oil was being sold. does that tell us anything of the time we're living in? |
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