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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:50 pm Post subject: God Didn't Forgive Jesus.... |
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One thing the Christian world keeps forgetting....is that if God did not forgive sin in Adam and Eve...who 'were' perfect...with a sinnless nature....
And, if God did not forgive Jesus when he took upon himself sin...our sins...
That is the proof that God will not forgive those who practice sin in their lives, because of the belief, that they cannot stop 'from'...sinning.
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revmattchoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| is Jesus not forgiven? was Christ not perfect and sinless? is believing in Christ futile? |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| revmattchoo.com wrote: | | is Jesus not forgiven? |
why forgive someone who has done no wrong ? | Quote: | | is believing in Christ futile? |
Believing in Jesus is far, far, more than what people really think about, or know.
Believing is Jesus requires obedience (Romans 6:16) to his every command.
When Jesus tells you, "REMEMBER the Sabbath day...to keep 'it' Holy.."
How do you respond....by ignoring what he said...and worship on Sunday ?
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revmattchoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: God Didn't Forgive Jesus.... |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | And, if God did not forgive Jesus when he took upon himself sin...our sins... |
doesnt that say that Jesus was not forgiven by God?
the sabbath is the seventh day. in the spanish calendar, the 7th day is sunday, not saturday. does that mean spanish Christians are goin to hell because they observe their collective worshipping on their 7th day?
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metothezero
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | How do you respond....by ignoring what he said...and worship on Sunday ? |
Scripture please, show us the scripture that says we cannot worship on Sunday, and you must on Saturday.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: God Didn't Forgive Jesus.... |
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| revmattchoo.com wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | And, if God did not forgive Jesus when he took upon himself sin...our sins... |
doesnt that say that Jesus was not forgiven by God?
the sabbath is the seventh day. in the spanish calendar, the 7th day is sunday, not saturday. does that mean spanish Christians are goin to hell because they observe their collective worshipping on their 7th day? |
It is not Jesus that needed forgiveness...it is us....WE ARE THE SINNERS !
Jesus paid the price for sin....in our behalf.
He died the 2nd death for us.
He could not be punished in hellfire...because he had no sins of which he needed punishment for.
As to the Spanish calendar....I understand that Satan is attempting to change different calendars in different parts of the world ...to throw everyone off from observing what God has said to observe.
REMEMBER.....scripture says: "SATAN, Which decieves the whole world", (Revelation 12:9).
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Silver Surfer
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| metothezero wrote: | | Quote: | | How do you respond....by ignoring what he said...and worship on Sunday ? |
Scripture please, show us the scripture that says we cannot worship on Sunday, and you must on Saturday. |
Whatsoever is not of faith is sin".
"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God", (Romans 10:17).
So...if God never mentioned anything about worshipping on any other day than the Sabbath....
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Nobby
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Which day is the Sabbath?
Now prove it! |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | Which day is the Sabbath?
Now prove it! |
The Sabbath comes before the first day of the week, Luke 23:54....to Luke 24:1.
The Bible says that Jesus rose from the grave on the first day of the week.
And so...the Sabbath is the day before he arose from the grave.
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metothezero
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The jews practiced the sabbath on the day before the First day. The scripture you have given says that and only that. The scripture that truly says when the sabbath is, is found in Exodus, when God says Honor the Sabbath and Keep it HOly, if you truly read the words of GOD, you would find out when the sabbath is, he says it right there, he says Honor the Sabbath and Keep it Holy. He does not say when, he just says do, so he is giving the day, by not giving you the day. And if he doesn't say a specific day, then little children, what day would that be? ANY DAY!! That is right, you get a cookie....
hypocrite.
NOBBY, I reiterate my previous question about the continual spamming, can you not stop it??
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Silver Surfer
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| metothezero wrote: | | what day would that be? ANY DAY!!NOBBY, I reiterate my previous question about the continual spamming, can you not stop it?? |
Some day you'll believe God when he says....the 7th day is the Sabbath.
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metothezero
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Some day you'll believe God when he says....the 7th day is the Sabbath. |
I do believe that, exactly, I can give you scripture giving that exact quote practically, but what I cannot give, and you cannot either, is scriptural proof that says the seventh day is the seventh day of the week, that is Saturday. All the scripture says is six days you should work and on the seventh should be the sabbath (paraphrase). Does God also say that the seventh day is Saturday??? Or does culture, does our MAN-MADE calendar dictate that Saturday is in fact the seventh day?
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The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike.
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Atheism is a ferocious system, that leaves nothing above us to excite awe, nor around us to awaken tenderness. --R. Hall. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| metothezero wrote: | | that the seventh day is Saturday??? Or does culture, does our MAN-MADE calendar dictate that Saturday is in fact the seventh day? |
In the Day of God's Judgment....you must tell God why you never observed His Sabbath.....when millions of people in the past, have done it.
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revmattchoo.com
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ive got an idea, why dont we just collectively worship God every day of the week! then whatever day the sabbath is on, we dont have to worry bout it because we already observe it, whatever day it is!
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| revmattchoo.com wrote: | | ive got an idea, why dont we just collectively worship God every day of the week! then whatever day the sabbath is on, we dont have to worry bout it because we already observe it, whatever day it is! |
That may sound like a great idea.....but you would be in disobedience to God by doing so.
Study Exodus 20:8-11 very carefully.
God said to labor and do everything in 6 days....THEN REST the Sabbath day.
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